View Poll Results: Why have Jews been so hated across history?

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  • Because they declare they are God's Chosen People, which is offensive

    2 9.52%
  • Because they do not integrating society making themselves an outsider minority

    7 33.33%
  • Because of religious reasons, ie "Christ killers" and ancient conflicts with Muslims

    9 42.86%
  • Because for whatever reason they tend to become wealthier than most people

    9 42.86%
  • Because they tend to favor each other in dealings unfairly

    5 23.81%
  • Because they collectively conspire to gain influence where ever they are

    5 23.81%
  • Their rituals and self-collectivism invokes xenophobia

    3 14.29%
  • Because Jews oppress people when they gain influence

    3 14.29%
  • Because Jews tended to surrender or flee rather than fight so are easy targets of hate

    1 4.76%
  • The poll is false. Historically Jews have not suffered atrocities more than others

    7 33.33%
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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I don't know. What else is different about Jews besides Judaism?
    They are a different racial/ethnic group who holds pride in that identity. I suspect most American Jews are Jews only in some racial/ethnic sense, not in a practicing religious sense. Like most people, I know some Jewish people. I do not know any who are devoted Jews in religious practice. Some won't order shrimp or pork as the extend of being religiously Jewish.

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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Jews were (and are) persecuted for being Jewish, not merely for not being Christian or Muslim.
    There were Christians who were executed during the Holocaust because they had some distant relative who used to be Jewish.
    For Hitler it was entirely racial, not religious. Religious practices was never a consideration. It was entirely about genetics. The 1924 Immigration Act in the USA also was about eugenics - in which Jews, Blacks, Arabs and anyone oriental was deemed genetically inferior that would harm the USA's genetic pool.

    I think it is generally not about religion directly for the most part, but more about the broader nature of xenophobia - and the convenience of finding others to blame.

    How do the dictators of the Muslim countries in the ME prevent rebellion by their massively poor populations against the massive amounts of money those dictatorships put in their own pockets? Divert the anger, hatred and blame at the Jews and West.

    Isn't that exactly what Hitler did? All of Germany's problems were caused by the Jews and Western powers?

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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    They are a different racial/ethnic group who holds pride in that identity. I suspect most American Jews are Jews only in some racial/ethnic sense, not in a practicing religious sense. Like most people, I know some Jewish people. I do not know any who are devoted Jews in religious practice. Some won't order shrimp or pork as the extend of being religiously Jewish.
    So, any minority could be the subject of persecution. Come to think of it, the gypsies and gays were also the subject of persecution by the Nazis. The persecution of minorities, whether it is based on racial characteristics, religion, language, or ancestry, seems to have a long and not so proud history among human beings.

    Yet, the persecution of Jews does seem to have been particularly harsh, historically. There was the holocaust, of course, and before that the inquisition and other atrocities.

    Perhaps there just is something within the human genome that likes to persecute people who are different, regardless of what that difference may be.
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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    There is really no liberal atheist reason to hate Jews. Which suits me fine, being a liberal atheist.

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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, any minority could be the subject of persecution. Come to think of it, the gypsies and gays were also the subject of persecution by the Nazis. The persecution of minorities, whether it is based on racial characteristics, religion, language, or ancestry, seems to have a long and not so proud history among human beings.

    Yet, the persecution of Jews does seem to have been particularly harsh, historically. There was the holocaust, of course, and before that the inquisition and other atrocities.

    Perhaps there just is something within the human genome that likes to persecute people who are different, regardless of what that difference may be.
    It may be that simple. And because Jews tend to resist social and religious assimilation - and instead survivors tended to flee to still another region - this put Jews all over the world (except Asia) - thus have been persecuted all over the world.

    A reason this may not be the ongoing history in the USA is because most American Jews have assimilated in all outwards ways. They do not dress like Jews, do not live in Jewish enclaves, and nothing about them outwardly says "I'm a Jew" nor "this is a Jewish community."

    Nearly all other peoples will assimilate to the social, religious, behavior and moral practices of the society they are in. As the most notable example, basically 100% of those of other ancient religions of the ME - religions that existed at the same time as Judaism - abandoned those religions entirely over 1000 years ago - if for no other reason than they would be killed if they didn't become Muslim. Yet Jews opted instead to flee, dig in, or just be killed.

    So we also approach the question of what is it about Jews or Judaism that causes them to so militantly refuse to stop being Jews? At least outside of the USA? Why do Jews so resist full assimilation given the terrible costs of not doing so?

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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Do you think it is because of Jew's religion? Stalin persecuted Jews horrifically in the end. Was his motive religious?

    I do not recall Hitler ever giving any religious reason for his views about Jews either.
    Yes. Jews were already despised by the time Stalin and Hitler took office. Both dictators seized the centuries long religious hatred and manipulated it to their own political goals. Neither reinvented antisemitism from nothing using only non-religious reasoning. It had already existed.
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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    There is really no liberal atheist reason to hate Jews. Which suits me fine, being a liberal atheist.
    Sure there is. Stalin was not religious. Hitler's reasons weren't religious.

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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Yes. Jews were already despised by the time Stalin and Hitler took office. Both dictators seized the centuries long religious hatred and manipulated it to their own political goals. Neither reinvented antisemitism from nothing using only non-religious reasoning. It had already existed.
    That does not explain why they "seized" on that. Both gave other reasons. Stalin believed Jews were conspiring to assassinate him for economic and property reasons, economic reasons. Hitler's genetic reasons extended beyond Jews to other people with no religious implications - such as birth defects and homosexuals.

    There are many, many examples of genocide that had no religious basis whatsoever. For example, Cambodia.

    I understand the tendency of atheists to try to blame everything on religious people, but history proves that wrong. If anyone can point to a NICE and PEACEFUL atheist society in history, do so. It never happened, though there has been atheist governments. They have tended to be the most murderous.
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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The are many, many examples of genocide that had no religious basis whatsoever. For example, Cambodia.
    We're talking about antisemitism in Nazi Germany and Stalin's USSR. Both dictators seized the religious reasons for why Jews were hated, the religious reasons why Jews were already an oppressed, easy target group of people, and capitalized upon that existent hatred for their own ends.

    For example - creating a common enemy for the state to unite against; or eliminating the liberal intelligentsia that comprised the opposition to their respective regimes.
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    Re: Why are Jews so hated?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Sure there is. Stalin was not religious. Hitler's reasons weren't religious.
    I said liberal atheist. Hitler was a social conservative.

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