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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    ...most people who define themselves as "Christian" have no clue about Armageddon....

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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Since when did Southern Evangels and their home base of Indiana begin supporting American Jews. Certainly not during the spikes of the KKK during the 1920s and 1960s, nor during the leadup to WW2.

    There's a reason why 75% of American Jews vote for DEMs. Therein lies the reason for the continued shameless behavior of the GOPs in DC, fronting off our President to our Allies and Enemies .
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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    BMost American Jews are not overly religious. Hell a lot of them are not religious at all.
    Again, although this is off topic, what you said reminded me of this conversation that I had with this Jewish rabbi once that made me wonder if he even believed in God. I looked it up, and it turns out there is such a thing as Jewish rabbis who don't believe in a deity. Here's an example

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    CS: You were once a Reform Rabbi. What brought you into Humanistic Judaism?

    JF: Although I explored many ways of being Jewish—from traditional to liberal religious observance—each of them left me flat. I was simply unable to believe that a deity existed and was concerned with our lives. There were, of course, other solutions to my problem to be found in Jewish thought. I became quite taken with the philosophy of Rabbi Mordecai Kaplan, the founder of Reconstructionist Judaism. He taught that the idea of God was no more than a metaphor for the sum of all natural processes that allow humans to become self-fulfilled. For those who find meaning in this idea, it permits them to continue to use traditional God language in Jewish rituals and prayers.

    After several years of forwarding this idea I found that I had acquired a pretty serious case of cognitive dissonance. It simply made no sense to me to speak to and about a “God” who doesn’t exist. In 2009 I arranged to attend a colloquium at The Birmingham Temple sponsored by the International Institute for Secular Humanistic Judaism. I soon became involved in the movement.

    CS: Pew’s finding that 68% of American Jews believe that there is no conflict between being a nontheist and being Jewish resonates with my experience—I know many Jewish people who do not believe in any gods but are active in Jewish communities, even taking on leadership roles. Why do you think some atheist and agnostic Jewish people participate in Jewish communities that are not explicitly Humanistic Jewish communities? Do you think they should switch to a Humanistic Jewish community? Why or why not?

    JF: I think that there is enormous value in belonging to a community of identity. Jews understand themselves in a variety of ways, but as the findings indicate, the majority does not insist upon confining Jewish identity to an expression of faith or belief. And, of course, anyone who chooses to be honest about Jewish history knows that Jews have harbored a very large variety of ideologies and theologies over the millennia. From Pew and other surveys, we know that twenty percent of Jews worldwide are nontheists. It is true that many of them choose to continue participating in theistic congregations and ceremonies. To me this indicates that they value their sense of belonging to the Jewish community but that they do not necessarily expect the community to promote the value of nontheism.
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    Can you be a Jewish atheist? Ask this Humanist Rabbi - Faitheist

    Just saying. I found that whole train of thought to be interesting.

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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth "People who pay attention and read between the lines know that much of the purported support for Israel among fundamentalist Christians and other militaristic conservatives is really about fulfilling Biblical prophecy for an armageddon, increasing the USA's power over the middle east and general hatred of Muslims."

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Polls show that about 72% of Americans declare themselves pro-Israeli, that's quite a lot of fundamentalist Christians, militaristic conservatives and Muslim-haters ain't it? You're ridiculous.

    "In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world. While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God's Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return...Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible's prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America's 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel's best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.
    Read more at On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com

    "...millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly. According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse...Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture...Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches: Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham. They are supported by politicians such as: Newt Gingrich, Joseph Lieberman, John McCain, Texas Senator John Cronyn, Former House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay..."
    Read more at On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com

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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Your conclusions about what we do and think and our place in the world are all malicious lies. You infantalize us. You don't have enough respect for people who aren't like you to allow them autonomy in the world. You are the worst kind of bigot, the kind who thinks that you know better than we do about how we should be. You may not hate us, but you don't respect us.
    Your claim that you are one of "us" of Israeli Jews is what is the lie. The BIG lie is you using the word "we."

    You got proof that American Jews agree with you that the holocaust was a hoax? You go proof that Israeli Jews are in a conspiracy with fundamentalist end times Christians to cause all wars and chaos in the ME?

    PROVE THOSE ABSURD ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ISRAELI JEWS OR THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT.

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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth "People who pay attention and read between the lines know that much of the purported support for Israel among fundamentalist Christians and other militaristic conservatives is really about fulfilling Biblical prophecy for an armageddon, increasing the USA's power over the middle east and general hatred of Muslims."




    "In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world. While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God's Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return...Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible's prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America's 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel's best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.
    Read more at On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com

    "...millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly. According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse...Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture...Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches: Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham. They are supported by politicians such as: Newt Gingrich, Joseph Lieberman, John McCain, Texas Senator John Cronyn, Former House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay..."
    Read more at On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com
    Show me a poll that asked people to define what the word "Armageddon" means. Ask Americans "do you believe (any) book of the Bible is true?" and a majority will say yes.

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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I didn't say you said so either. You said that "many" of these 72% (Which is what? 230,000,000 people?) are fundamentalist Christians, militaristic conservatives and Muslim-haters.
    If you polled me and asked me if I was a supporter of Israel, I would of course say yes. However, I would also very much differ in my views on the subject from a fundamentalist Christian's views on Israel. The same is true for a lot of Americans, including most Jewish Americans.
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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If you polled me and asked me if I was a supporter of Israel, I would of course say yes. However, I would also very much differ in my views on the subject from a fundamentalist Christian's views on Israel. The same is true for a lot of Americans, including most Jewish Americans.
    People who aren't Christians tend to try to declare there is the universal Christian - and there isn't. Nor is there a universal fundamentalist Christian view on virtually anything. That's why there are a thousand various denominations and sub-denominations and even more thousands of independent churches.

    That also is why when someone posts "I am a Christian and ..." as if that reflects the views of Christians it is worthless as the voice of Christianity. Most American Catholics openly disagree with the Pope on many topics as another example. There is no universal view of Christians - other than Jesus was really important in some way.

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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth "People who pay attention and read between the lines know that much of the purported support for Israel among fundamentalist Christians and other militaristic conservatives is really about fulfilling Biblical prophecy for an armageddon, increasing the USA's power over the middle east and general hatred of Muslims."




    "In a recent Time/CNN poll, more than one-third of Americans said that since the terrorist attacks of 9/11, they have been thinking more about how current events might be leading to the end of the world. While only 36 percent of all Americans believe that the Bible is God's Word and should be taken literally, 59 percent say they believe that events predicted in the Book of Revelation will come to pass. Almost one out of four Americans believes that 9/11 was predicted in the Bible, and nearly one in five believes that he or she will live long enough to see the end of the world. Even more significant for this study, over one-third of those Americans who support Israel report that they do so because they believe the Bible teaches that the Jews must possess their own country in the Holy Land before Jesus can return...Their beliefs are rooted in dispensationalism, a particular way of understanding the Bible's prophetic passages, especially those in Daniel and Ezekiel in the Old Testament and the Book of Revelation in the New Testament. They make up about one-third of America's 40 or 50 million evangelical Christians and believe that the nation of Israel will play a central role in the unfolding of end-times events. In the last part of the 20th century, dispensationalist evangelicals become Israel's best friends-an alliance that has made a serious geopolitical difference.
    Read more at On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com

    "...millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly. According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse...Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture...Dispensationalists include the following mega-pastors and their churches: Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham. They are supported by politicians such as: Newt Gingrich, Joseph Lieberman, John McCain, Texas Senator John Cronyn, Former House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay..."
    Read more at On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com
    What a load of nonsense, please do link to the actual poll and not to some random website.
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    Re: Do the majority of U.S. Jews support Netanyahu?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If you polled me and asked me if I was a supporter of Israel, I would of course say yes. However, I would also very much differ in my views on the subject from a fundamentalist Christian's views on Israel. The same is true for a lot of Americans, including most Jewish Americans.
    That'swhat I'm saying, that the majority of these 72% who said yes are not fundamentalists.
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