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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    This was an interesting opinion piece. I am not sure that I agree with the first point under the section titled "The Significance of the US-Iran Negotiations", because I don't think it necessarily weakens Iran. But the author may be right about the rest of the points under that section. Also, I think the first two paragraphs in the next section are on mark.

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    The Significance of the US-Iran Negotiations

    The negotiations between the major powers (P5+1), composed of the five UN Security Council members plus Germany, led by the US, with Iran have proceeded for over two years. Israel is not part of the negotiating process-formally but indirectly its presence is substantial. For Washington the stakes are very high: securing a nuclear agreement with Iran in which Teheran submits to constant and pervasive ‘inspections’, and dismantles a substantial part of its nuclear program, certainly weakens Iran’s regional prestige and increases US influence in the region.

    Secondly, through the initial agreement, it is likely that Washington will move forward to deepen joint political activity with Iran in neighboring countries.

    Thirdly, Washington will use the agreement to isolate Syria, Lebanon (Hezbollah) and Yemen, from Iranian financial, military and diplomatic support.

    Fourthly, US multi-national oil corporations could gain access to the Iranian oil fields and exporters could access a huge consumer market of 70 million Iranian citizens.

    Fifthly, the agreement would lessen the danger that Israel would initiate a major war, which the Zionist power configuration in the US could quickly convert into a disastrous US regional war.

    Given the fact that the US-Afghan war has lasted 14 years, and counting, and cost over $1 trillion dollars, and that the Iraq invasion has far exceeded those costs and intensified over the past year, a US nuclear agreement with Iran would avoid a catastrophic, prolonged war designed to enhance Israeli dominance in the Middle East.

    Israel’s Interest in Sabotaging the P5+1 Nuclear Negotiations

    Israel knows that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program (as does Washington). The US government uses this as a pretext to secure political concessions from Iran, to degrade its regional influence, and to secure their support in policing the Middle East. In contrast, Israel seeks to destroy Iran’s capacity to support the Palestinian anti-colonial struggle.

    Netanyahu and his Zionist supporters, in and out of the US government, seek to induce the US to increase economic sanctions in order to strangle the Iranian economy, to foment internal unrest and to set US-Iranian relations on a path toward a military confrontation.
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    Who Spies for Israel in Washington?s Nuclear Negotiations? | Featured |Axisoflogic.com
    Last edited by MildSteel; 04-02-15 at 08:58 AM.

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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    I'd expect a watered down, face-saving deal with no real teeth.

    The opposition in the U.S. an Israel has made it clear that there is no appetite for real compromise.

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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is simply not true, but just conservative rhetoric ..
    Not merely conservative anymore. Liberal media was bashing Kerry pretty good this morning, saying basically the same thing.

    Where liberals and conservatives disagree is on the fact that Israel and conservatives PUT us in this weak position.
    But here we are, either way.

    The only way forward is to walk away and start moving assets to the region and gear up for the largest war that most living people have ever seen.
    Sanctions wont work. A military attack will only make it worse. All we had was this treaty or full out war.
    If the treaty fails, I hope Obama has the balls for all out war.

    If we have to move ahead with full out war, I hope that our Right Wing morons take their due responsibility for the 10 dollar gas and millions of dead.

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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    I'd expect a watered down, face-saving deal with no real teeth.

    The opposition in the U.S. an Israel has made it clear that there is no appetite for real compromise.
    It is meant to be a framework from which the details of a final agreement will be made. The thing is this, not everyone in Israel agrees with Netanyahu and that is a good sign. Furthermore, although the conservative wing of the Jewish community, led by AIPAC does exert strong influence on Congress, there are a large number of people in the Jewish community that understand that in order to avoid a larger conflict, a deal with Iran is necessary. As such, it is likely that some sort of substantial deal will be reached. At least that is my hope.

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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Not merely conservative anymore. Liberal media was bashing Kerry pretty good this morning, saying basically the same thing.

    Where liberals and conservatives disagree is on the fact that Israel and conservatives PUT us in this weak position.
    But here we are, either way.

    The only way forward is to walk away and start moving assets to the region and gear up for the largest war that most living people have ever seen.
    Sanctions wont work. A military attack will only make it worse. All we had was this treaty or full out war.
    If the treaty fails, I hope Obama has the balls for all out war.

    If we have to move ahead with full out war, I hope that our Right Wing morons take their due responsibility for the 10 dollar gas and millions of dead.
    I don't think we are in a weak position and neither do I think that the only way forward is war. I think that they will reach a good, substantial agreement, that will avoid a large conflict.

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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't think we are in a weak position and neither do I think that the only way forward is war. I think that they will reach a good, substantial agreement, that will avoid a large conflict.
    We're in a weak position because we have a weak President. Iran knows this - they won't agree to anything that isn't overwhelmingly positive to their goals and objectives. Iran's biggest partners are Russia and China - they can certainly be hurt by more international sanctions but they can easily survive and prosper - but with such sanctions just not prosper as quickly. Iran also knows that while the WH says all options are on the table, military strikes against Iran and opening up a new war as well as scuttling any proxy fight with ISIS would end - is NOT an option and never was. Iran has one foe to watch and that is Israel. They can do whatever they want otherwise, and that is why Israel is so vocal about Iran and why Iran has no intention to let the US or P5+1 force them into anything.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    There are those who want the U.S. to be viewed as weak so that they can gain a political advantage from that distorted perception. They really don't care about U.S. interests in the larger scheme of things, but are rather interested in the such a political advantage for their self aggrandizement. That being the case, they should be ignored.

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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    Well it looks like they were able to come to an agreement! YAY!!!!! That is very good news! Way to go Obama!!!!!

    Political agreement reached on Iran nuclear talks

    Negotiators announced an agreement has been reached to limit Iran's nuclear activities in exchange for diminished Western economic sanctions.

    European Union High Representative for Foreign Affairs Federica Mogherini and Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif released a joint statement of political agreement. The details were more extensive than expected by most observers, but a detailed technical agreement still has to be reached by June 30.

    Among agreements reached were a 10-year duration, the conversion of the Fordow nuclear facility to a nuclear physics research lab and International Atomic Energy Agency inspections of the Iranian nuclear program.

    President Barack Obama commented on the "historic understanding with Iran," calling it a framework that could lead to a final comprehensive that "will make our country, our allies and our world safer."

    Secretary of State John Kerry detailed the preliminary agreement, which would reduce Iranian enriched uranium stockpiles by 98 percent for the next 15 years, cut the number of centrifuges in Iran by two-thirds for the next 10 years and extend breakout time -- the time it would take Iran to develop a functioning nuclear weapon -- from two or three months to at least a year.
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    Negotiators release statement on Iran nuclear talks - UPI.com

    I thought that they would come to some sort of agreement. At the end of the day, the alternatives were just to unappealing to all involved.

    This is very good news. I hope and pray that this will work out.

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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    I am a dem but I don't think the repubs will allow an agreement.... if Obama has anything to do with it...if iran gave up all nuclear research it still would not pass because it would make Obama look good ...now you know the repubs cant have that happen.....lol
    I find the lack of logic in humans most disturbing...

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    Re: Will there be a nuclear deal with Iran?

    so I guess we should bomb bomb bomb iran correct???? by the way I don't like any little country dictating what and how we should do things...daaaaa aint going to happen....also iran knows it will be wiped of the face of the earth if it shot a nuke at isreal....boss......same goes for north korea...probably would take about 2 minutes
    I find the lack of logic in humans most disturbing...

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