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Are many Democrats in the USA now anti-Semitic?

Are many Democrats now anti-Semitic?

  • Yes, but so are many other people - it is not unique to Democrats

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  • Yes, but in effect and not deliberately so.

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  • No country should be allowed to have an official religion/ethnicity like Israel does

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  • The world would be a better place without a Jewish country

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PUBLIC POLL & MULTIPLE CHOICE

Seemingly following Obama's anti-Israel actions and statements in the view of the elected leader of Israel, there are increasingly extreme anti-Semitic claims and advocacies, including increasingly on this forum. This includes:

1. Claiming that up to 5 million Palestinian Muslims are allowed to immigrate/return to Israel - thus eliminating Israel as a Jewish nation, the only on in the world.

2. Declaring all problems in the Middle East are caused by the existence of Israel, the way Hitler claimed Jews were responsible for Germany's problems.

3. Endlessly claiming there are vast conspiracies by Jews of Israel including conspiratorial secret influences of the USA government, again parroting the claim Hitler made.

4. Advocacies unique against Israel, such as "right of return" to Palestinians" - but no advocacy of the right to return to any other people anywhere else in the world such as the Tartars of Crimea.

5. Discounting multiple past invasions by surrounding Muslim countries and vows to this day such as by Iran to totally destroy and kill all Jews in Israel.

6. Never, under any circumstance, mentioning that Israel is the ancestral nation of Jews and that they were disposed of their country - to instead always only portray Jews as foreign invaders who stole their country from Muslims.

7. Never mentioning the oppression, discrimination, bigotry and murder against Jews not only in the M.E. but around the world including in Europe - and that Israel is the ONLY country with an open-door policy towards Jews.

8. Never mentioning the many centuries of atrocities against Jews around the world.

9. Despite the current Prime Minister being elected by a majority, to insist as fact that he does not represent the views of Jews in Israel.


I only see such views coming from Democrats and so-called liberals. Are many Democrats - whether deliberate or inadvertent - anti-Semitic?
 
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Seemingly following Obama's anti-Israel actions and statements in the view of the elected leader of Israel, there are increasingly extreme anti-Semitic claims and advocacies, including increasingly on this forum. This includes:

1. Claiming that up to 5 million Palestinian Muslims are allowed to immigrate/return to Israel - thus eliminating Israel as a Jewish nation, the only on in the world.

2. Declaring all problems in the Middle East are caused by the existence of Israel, the way Hitler claimed Jews were responsible for Germany's problems.

3. Endlessly claiming there are vast conspiracies by Jews of Israel including conspiratorial secret influences of the USA government, again parroting the claim Hitler made.

4. Advocacies unique against Israel, such as "right of return" to Palestinians" - but no advocacy of the right to return to any other people anywhere else in the world such as the Tartars of Crimea.

5. Discounting multiple past invasions by surrounding Muslim countries and vows to this day such as by Iran to totally destroy and kill all Jews in Israel.

6. Never, under any circumstance, mentioning that Israel is the ancestral nation of Jews and that they were disposed of their country - to instead always only portray Jews as foreign invaders who stole their country from Muslims.

7. Never mentioning the oppression, discrimination, bigotry and murder against Jews not only in the M.E. but around the world including in Europe - and that Israel is the ONLY country with an open-door policy towards Jews.

8. Never mentioning the many centuries of atrocities against Jews around the world.

9. Despite the current Prime Minister being elected by a majority, to insist as fact that he does not represent the views of Jews in Israel.


I only see such views coming from Democrats and so-called liberals. Are many Democrats - whether deliberate or inadvertent - anti-Semitic?

The gruesome murder of those strawmen will not go unnoticed.
 
I disagree with many of your points being the position of democrats. Criticism of Israeli foreign policy does not equate to anti-Semitism. AIPAC is not secret and it's influence is well known.
 
I don't think so. I think what you are seeing is more Democrats and progressives simply losing any faith in Israel being a quality political or social partner regarding the discourse in the region. However, like all things discussed by Repubs, this fact is twisted into being "anti-semetic" instead of recognizing it's anti-Israeli policies because Repubs like to run around with their panties in a wad about everything liberal, progressive, or Democratic. Y'all are just so ridiculously emotional.
 
PUBLIC POLL & MULTIPLE CHOICE

Seemingly following Obama's anti-Israel actions and statements in the view of the elected leader of Israel, there are increasingly extreme anti-Semitic claims and advocacies, including increasingly on this forum. This includes:

1. Claiming that up to 5 million Palestinian Muslims are allowed to immigrate/return to Israel - thus eliminating Israel as a Jewish nation, the only on in the world.

2. Declaring all problems in the Middle East are caused by the existence of Israel, the way Hitler claimed Jews were responsible for Germany's problems.

3. Endlessly claiming there are vast conspiracies by Jews of Israel including conspiratorial secret influences of the USA government, again parroting the claim Hitler made.

4. Advocacies unique against Israel, such as "right of return" to Palestinians" - but no advocacy of the right to return to any other people anywhere else in the world such as the Tartars of Crimea.

5. Discounting multiple past invasions by surrounding Muslim countries and vows to this day such as by Iran to totally destroy and kill all Jews in Israel.

6. Never, under any circumstance, mentioning that Israel is the ancestral nation of Jews and that they were disposed of their country - to instead always only portray Jews as foreign invaders who stole their country from Muslims.

7. Never mentioning the oppression, discrimination, bigotry and murder against Jews not only in the M.E. but around the world including in Europe - and that Israel is the ONLY country with an open-door policy towards Jews.

8. Never mentioning the many centuries of atrocities against Jews around the world.

9. Despite the current Prime Minister being elected by a majority, to insist as fact that he does not represent the views of Jews in Israel.


I only see such views coming from Democrats and so-called liberals. Are many Democrats - whether deliberate or inadvertent - anti-Semitic?

I don't know what the numbers are, but the rhetoric I see coming from the left about Israel, and barely veiled criticism against Jews in general, is what I would describe as "unnerving." Being liberal myself and interacting with liberals IRL, this is more than just on public internet forums.
 
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Counter hack polls are just as boring as hack polls.
 
I don't think so. I think what you are seeing is more Democrats and progressives simply losing any faith in Israel being a quality political or social partner regarding the discourse in the region. However, like all things discussed by Repubs, this fact is twisted into being "anti-semetic" instead of recognizing it's anti-Israeli policies because Repubs like to run around with their panties in a wad about everything liberal, progressive, or Democratic. Y'all are just so ridiculously emotional.

In the abstractions of political discussion from American perspectives, it seems there is no recognition of what lead to the formation of Israel. It was not only the systematic (and permanent) eradication of Jews not only from Germany but from all of Europe - with millions outright murdered and 10s of millions having to flee and having everything they own stolen, but also the non-stop historic discrimination, deportation, necessity to flee and bigotry against Jews worldwide for 1500 years.

While this means NOTHING to you, to all but American Jews it means everything. If all your ancestors were historically murdered, raped, robbed and treating with the foulest discrimination and having to live in fear, you attitudes might be different than just crying for Palestinians. Muslims in the region have 100000% more land and they have 100% of oil resources and other natural wealth. Yet it is popular to blame Jews for everything.

Other than retaking their own historic country, Israel has invaded no one. The land they hold otherwise is land acquired when Israel was militarily invades and they established that as a defensive zone for which otherwise Israel is not defensible. Israel is smaller than New Jersey and the entire country of Israel is smaller than most USA metropolitan area cities.

Where do you say Jews should be able to flee to? Israel is the ONLY country that welcomes Jews and without question. Do you think Jews should just agree to be killed wherever they are?

While I'm not into my ancestry, being NA I have a very different core perspective than you. I recognize that the world wouldn't shed a tear if every Jew in the world was killed and that many - maybe most - people of the world would rather Israel as a Jewish country just disappear.

I am not reading ANYONE even HINTING condemnations of ANY Muslim country for mistreatment of Jews nor ANYONE arguing Jews should be allowed to return to their prior property in Muslim countries and to not be discriminated against there. It is the FIXATION ONLY against Jews I am pointing at.

Do you REALLY claim that Jews treat Muslim Palestinians WORSE than Jews are treated in Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen?
 
Counter hack polls are just as boring as hack polls.

What is hack about the poll? There seems a clear partisan divide on topics about Israel. You can, of course, post messages instead in some political non-reality if you wish, but the partisan realities are what they are. For the most part, Democrats are condemning Israel and Republicans are posting messages favorable to Israel. Do you claim that is inaccurate?
 
PUBLIC POLL & MULTIPLE CHOICE

Seemingly following Obama's anti-Israel actions and statements in the view of the elected leader of Israel, there are increasingly extreme anti-Semitic claims and advocacies, including increasingly on this forum. This includes:

1. Claiming that up to 5 million Palestinian Muslims are allowed to immigrate/return to Israel - thus eliminating Israel as a Jewish nation, the only on in the world.

2. Declaring all problems in the Middle East are caused by the existence of Israel, the way Hitler claimed Jews were responsible for Germany's problems.

3. Endlessly claiming there are vast conspiracies by Jews of Israel including conspiratorial secret influences of the USA government, again parroting the claim Hitler made.

4. Advocacies unique against Israel, such as "right of return" to Palestinians" - but no advocacy of the right to return to any other people anywhere else in the world such as the Tartars of Crimea.

5. Discounting multiple past invasions by surrounding Muslim countries and vows to this day such as by Iran to totally destroy and kill all Jews in Israel.

6. Never, under any circumstance, mentioning that Israel is the ancestral nation of Jews and that they were disposed of their country - to instead always only portray Jews as foreign invaders who stole their country from Muslims.

7. Never mentioning the oppression, discrimination, bigotry and murder against Jews not only in the M.E. but around the world including in Europe - and that Israel is the ONLY country with an open-door policy towards Jews.

8. Never mentioning the many centuries of atrocities against Jews around the world.

9. Despite the current Prime Minister being elected by a majority, to insist as fact that he does not represent the views of Jews in Israel.


I only see such views coming from Democrats and so-called liberals. Are many Democrats - whether deliberate or inadvertent - anti-Semitic?

Even a Dick-Head-Democrat would be anti-Jewish, unless she were rather ignorant. So how many could that be?
 
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Joko104, you have accused me being an anti-semite, then you go and tell me what I believe. I think you need to look up the definition of "anti-semitism", and you need to look what Obama proposes and many Democrats propose when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Are there anti-semites in the Democratic party? There are anti-semites probably in just about every American political party. Are the Democrats and Obama policy positions on Israel and Palestine "anti-semitic"? Absolutely not.
 
The poll excludes the one most relevant option to Democrats and Left leaning individuals of all sorts.

#10 Watching Israel's leader conspire against our President, the United States of America, and other Nations while cuddling with our Country's Right Wing to help promote massive war across the Middle East and to drive oil prices through the roof has in turn, caused resentment against Israel as a whole.

As a strong Left Leaning Independent I was favorable towards Israel. I blamed both sides in the Israeli conflict equally but I identified more with Israel.
After the unacceptable insult against my Country, I no longer am able to view Israel as favorable. Instead I now view Israel as a foreign enemy that is conspiring with our Right Wing to create war and boost profit.
I now see myself as being against Israel just as I am against our Right Wing corporate shills.
 
I don't know what the numbers are, but the rhetoric I see coming from the left about Israel, and barely veiled criticism against Jews in general, is what I would describe as "unnerving." Being liberal myself and interacting with liberals IRL, this is more than just on public internet forums.

While many on the forum try to put me into a partisan loyalty role both ways per issue, that isn't accurate. There seems to be a HUGE shift among liberals and Democrats in relation to Israel.

I mention Obama because this goes back to his initial campaign. Remember the question of what if there was a nuclear attack against Israel - given Iran's leader's statement that due to the tiny size of Israel it would take literally just 1 or 2 nuclear weapons to 100% kill everyone in Israel.

Do you remember the different response of Clinton and Obama? Clinton responded that the USA would turn Iran into "a wasteland." Obama's response? No response. No response was an answer. That was a MASSIVE shift of the Democratic stance towards Israel in my opinion. The loyalty to President Obama by many Democrats is too unquestioned in my opinion - and not just on this issue. But on "Homeland Security," drone strikes, government intrusion into people lives, secrecy, actions against the press and against whistleblowers - and much more - all stances Democrats would universally oppose if by a Republican President.
 
I have never experienced anti-semitism at the hands of liberals, only at the hands of conservative Christians. Wanting to improve the lot of Palestinians is not anti-semetic. Accusations of Jewish conspiracies is, again, a conservative Christian thing, not a liberal thing. Likewise, liberals bring up centuries of violence against Jews all the time when conservative Christians try to excuse the violence of their religion while attacking the violence in others.

I doubt you would find any more than a handful of Jews who would say that liberal Americans are their enemies.
 
The poll excludes the one most relevant option to Democrats and Left leaning individuals of all sorts.

#10 Watching Israel's leader conspire against our President, the United States of America, and other Nations while cuddling with our Country's Right Wing to help promote massive war across the Middle East and to drive oil prices through the roof has in turn, caused resentment against Israel as a whole.

As a strong Left Leaning Independent I was favorable towards Israel. I blamed both sides in the Israeli conflict equally but I identified more with Israel.
After the unacceptable insult against my Country, I no longer am able to view Israel as favorable. Instead I now view Israel as a foreign enemy that is conspiring with our Right Wing to create war and boost profit.
I now see myself as being against Israel just as I am against our Right Wing corporate chills.

Alright, at least you are truthful enough to acknowledge you are anti-Israel and you see Israel as an enemy.

If I read you correctly, you see Israel's PM opposing a deal with Iran allowing Iran to continue to refine uranium to weapons grade - but at limited quality - as an "insult" to the USA - and you blame the wars in the ME on Israel.

You also claim Israel is trying to drive up oil prices. I think you would have to agree that of the latter Israel has definitely failed given oil prices have crashed.

Specifically what wars in the Middle East do you claim Israel is responsible for causing? The Iran-Iraq war? The civil war in Syria? ISIS? The USA in Gulf War 1 when Iran invaded Kuwait? Gulf War 2 to remove Saddam Hussein?

Do you believe Israel should pursue their advocacy ONLY with Democrats?
 
The OP sounds like total BS to me. :roll:
 
I have never experienced anti-semitism at the hands of liberals, only at the hands of conservative Christians. Wanting to improve the lot of Palestinians is not anti-semetic. Accusations of Jewish conspiracies is, again, a conservative Christian thing, not a liberal thing. Likewise, liberals bring up centuries of violence against Jews all the time when conservative Christians try to excuse the violence of their religion while attacking the violence in others.

I doubt you would find any more than a handful of Jews who would say that liberal Americans are their enemies.

I think you mean American Jews in your last sentence.

Until a few years ago I would agree with your message. It seems that has almost completely shifted. Israel hasn't changed it's stance on anything that I can see. Israel has ALWAYS opposed Muslim countries obtaining nuclear weapons and ALWAYS oppose Iran having ANY even civilian nuclear capabilities.

It isn't Israeli policy that has changed. It has never changed. Therefore, the change is here. I'm wondering why that is.

In my opinion, there is an outdated view that if Israel makes peace with Palestinians all problems in the ME will vanish. Yet I don't see the growth of ISIS, the revolution in Yemen, either Gulf War with Iraq nor the war in Afghanistan having ANYTHING to do with Israel and the Palestinian question. Do you?

Even on the issue of Israel, the call is for elimination of Israel as a Jewish country, not about peace with Israel. Can you name ONE Muslim country that has said if Israel agrees to a "two state solution" they will recognize Israel as a legitimate country they are at peace with? Can you name even one that has said that - though seems asserted as a truism by the current administration.

Israel has never changed it's position. So why the partisan shift?
 
I have never experienced anti-semitism at the hands of liberals, only at the hands of conservative Christians. Wanting to improve the lot of Palestinians is not anti-semetic. Accusations of Jewish conspiracies is, again, a conservative Christian thing, not a liberal thing. Likewise, liberals bring up centuries of violence against Jews all the time when conservative Christians try to excuse the violence of their religion while attacking the violence in others.

I doubt you would find any more than a handful of Jews who would say that liberal Americans are their enemies.

If we're going off anecdotal experiences alone, then I'd say that the rhetoric I've experienced (along with a handful of uncomfortable personal experiences ranging from mild irritation to outright alarm) that I describe as anti-Israel and even anti-Jewish is more than it should be. As for the Christian support, that just comes the belief that Jews living in Jerusalem once more fulfills messianic prophecies leading to armageddon, and which I therefore find creepy as all hell.
 
What is hack about the poll? There seems a clear partisan divide on topics about Israel. You can, of course, post messages instead in some political non-reality if you wish, but the partisan realities are what they are. For the most part, Democrats are condemning Israel and Republicans are posting messages favorable to Israel. Do you claim that is inaccurate?

So did you just confirm that this didn't need to be a poll?
 
If we're going off anecdotal experiences alone, then I'd say that the rhetoric I've experienced (along with a handful of uncomfortable personal experiences ranging from mild irritation to outright alarm) that I describe as anti-Israel and even anti-Jewish is more than it should be. As for the Christian support, that just comes the belief that Jews living in Jerusalem once more fulfills messianic prophecies leading to armageddon, and which I therefore find creepy as all hell.

No, you are likely wrong about Christian support of Israel. Rather, it is that Jews are "God's Chosen People." Most Christians don't even know what the word Armageddon means. While that is rooting in hardcore fundamentalism, it is the Muslim religion that more talks about the prophesy of end times. Do you find that creepy?
 
Apparently, you do not.

So you retract what you posted?

You posted that Israel is responsible for wars in the ME. I asked which ones. You refuse to answer.

You said Israel is conspiring to drive up oil prices - though gave no reason why Israel would do that as that hurts Israel and helps Muslim oil producers.

You also said Israel "insulted" your country by working with Republicans.
 
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Can you name ONE Muslim country that has said if Israel agrees to a "two state solution" they will recognize Israel as a legitimate country they are at peace with? Can you name even one that has said that - though seems asserted as a truism by the current administration.
I can name several countries with a large Muslim majority or Islam is the official religion that have recognized Israel currently: Egypt, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, the Maldives, Tajikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and even the state of Palestine.

But to answer your question about after the two state solution: In 2002 the Arab League unanimously endorsed by all countries in the Arab League a peace proposal/plan. It calls for the upholding of UNSCR242 and UNSCR338 in return for fully normalized relations with the whole Arab world.... This plan has been endorsed every year by the Arab League.

Israel has never changed it's position.
Yes it has. Israeli views on the peace process - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So why the partisan shift?
Again, having political disagreements over policies is not anti-semitism.
 
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