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    Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test? [W:249]

    Here's something of interest

    When former Secretary of State James A. Baker III accused Israel’s leader this week of undermining the chances of peace in the region, he said nothing more than the kinds of things he had said at times when he was in office a quarter-century ago.

    But the instant backlash from fellow Republicans that prompted Jeb Bush, the son of Mr. Baker’s best friend, to distance himself underscored just how much their party has changed on the issue of Israel. Where past Republican leaders had their disagreements with Israel, today’s Republicans have made support for the Jewish state an inviolable litmus test for anyone aspiring to national office.
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    William Kristol has made the following boast

    “Bibi would probably win the Republican nomination if it were legal,”
    Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us...yahu.html?_r=0

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's something of interest



    William Kristol has made the following boast



    Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us...yahu.html?_r=0
    For quite awhile the GOP has been seen to be more reliably pro-Israel. Not that the Democratic Party is anti, but there's a reason why Netanyahu would prefer a Republican administration.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    For quite awhile the GOP has been seen to be more reliably pro-Israel. Not that the Democratic Party is anti, but there's a reason why Netanyahu would prefer a Republican administration.
    One reason is that the GOP hasn't seen a war that they do not like. That suits Israel's purposes well in the Middle East.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    It's more of an American trait rather than a strictly Republican phenomenon. We support Israel because we hold common ideals in a strategic region in which those values are severely lacking. While not as steadfast as the right, a Democratic candidate who openly eschewed our alliance would likely face significant blowback as well.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    We support Israel because we hold common ideals in a strategic region in which those values are severely lacking.
    Although we may have some common values, what is more important is common interests. And it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of Israel are quickly diverging from those of the United States. No doubt about it. Therefore, Israel is becoming a net liability relative to U.S. interests rather than an asset. Republicans need to realize this. To see how this is indeed the case, note the following words of the wise statesman, James Baker.

    “Although Netanyahu and his right-and-center coalition may oppose a two-state solution, a land-for-peace approach has long been supported by a substantial portion of the Israeli body politic, by every American [administration] since 1967 — Republican and Democratic alike — and a vast majority of nations around the world,”
    If Israel sees its future with Netanyahu, it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of the United States are rapidly diverging from those of Israel.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although we may have some common values, what is more important is common interests. And it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of Israel are quickly diverging from those of the United States. No doubt about it.
    Such as..?

    note the following words of the wise statesman, James Baker.
    Oh really. I expected to see you quoting his famous "**** the Jews" line, but I guess I was wrong.

    If Israel sees its future with Netanyahu, it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of the United States are rapidly diverging from those of Israel.
    Yes, because Netanyahu is different than any previous Israeli PM in his foreign policies. Right.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Such as..?
    Do I need to repeat it over again? Here it is, just in case you missed it

    “Although Netanyahu and his right-and-center coalition may oppose a two-state solution, a land-for-peace approach has long been supported by a substantial portion of the Israeli body politic, by every American [administration] since 1967 — Republican and Democratic alike — and a vast majority of nations around the world,”

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do I need to repeat it over again? Here it is, just in case you missed it
    That's not an example of an American interest.
    Try again.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That's not an example of an American interest.
    Try again.
    Oh no!!!! A two state solution is most certainly a U.S. interest and it supports the larger U.S. interest of a stable Middle East.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Oh no!!!! A two state solution is most certainly a U.S. interest and it supports the larger U.S. interest of a stable Middle East.
    No it's not a US interest.
    It's something the US supports, it's not an American interest and it has nothing to do with the stability of the entire Mideast.
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