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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    LOL youve got to be kidding. Isreal is causing most of the wars and conflict in that region since its founding.


    "Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."
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    Before Israel?

    The way I understand the region, there has been fighting there since the dawn of recorded history.

    When did Moses arrive in Israel?

    Are you saying that before then they didn't hate us?
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    What was stupid was opposing Mubarak and supporting the installation of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. What was stupid was supporting the rebels in Libya and removing Kadafi, turning the entire country into a radical Islamist stronghold. What was stupid was giving Russia the apprehend in Syria. What was stupid was a deal with Iran which allows them to enrich uranium and that is currently setting off an arms race in the Middle East between Sunni and Shia. What was stupid is trying to destroy our relationship with Israel, our only true ally in the Middle East.

    Obama pointed to Yemen and an example of success in his policy of leading from behind. How's that working out. Obama's foreign policy is a disaster from which we will probably not recover. He's a ****ing idiot.



    The Obama Administration has not backed away from that claim.

    Is it possible that this is still considered to be a triumph of his policy because this is the result his policy is designed to create?

    We may think he's failing because we assume he's working to achieve the goals that we hold. What if he's working toward a different set of goals entirely?

    His foreign policy may be unpublished and entirely successful.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What James Baker said is the truth. The Israel was blocking the creation of a Palestinian state then, they are blocking it now.
    Whether Israel had been, and is, blocking the creation of a Hamas state or not, there will be no peace for Israel, and that brings me to the reason for butting in.
    Let us not forget the most significant bond between Israel and the US. We are hated by a large percentage of Muslims and t/o the world for various reasons. That alone makes us allies.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Which promise are your asking about?
    His promise that there would be no Palestinian state on his watch.


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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    His promise that there would be no Palestinian state on his watch.
    What?!? You're telling me a politician is making comments designed solely to get votes? Astonishing!

    Apparently, like an American politician, he was for it before he was against it before he was for it.

    I think the topic and the comment were specifically on the West Bank area. In any event, that was a campaign comment that apparently was a popular one with the Israeli electorate.

    He since has clarified the comment.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/wo...tate.html?_r=0
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    Netanyahu said he had not intended to reverse his endorsement in a 2009 speech at Bar-Ilan University of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but only to say that it was impossible right now.

    Continue reading the main story
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    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What?!? You're telling me a politician is making comments designed solely to get votes? Astonishing!

    Apparently, like an American politician, he was for it before he was against it before he was for it.

    I think the topic and the comment were specifically on the West Bank area. In any event, that was a campaign comment that apparently was a popular one with the Israeli electorate.

    He since has clarified the comment.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/20/wo...tate.html?_r=0
    <snip>
    Netanyahu said he had not intended to reverse his endorsement in a 2009 speech at Bar-Ilan University of a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but only to say that it was impossible right now.

    Continue reading the main story
    RELATED COVERAGE
    <snip>
    If, however, there is a Palestinian state (as you assert), how exactly will he prevent one? If it already exists, there isn't much he can do.


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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    As increasing numbers of Democrats follow Obama lock-step in perfect loyalty, Obama's pro Muslim/anti-Jewish stances increasingly are becoming fanatical, the more Democrats become antisemitic too.

    Being pro-Israel is not becoming a Republican litmus test as Republicans' stance on Israel hasn't changed. Accordingly, the poll question is wrong.

    The REAL poll question should be is being anti-Israel and antisemitic becoming the new Democrat litmus test?

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Its been 7 decades since a major kill-off of Jews in the world, rather the slow killing of Jews here and there in the interim. As we see on the forum and from many - now increasingly Democrats in this country - there is a growing push to make elimination of a Jewish county possible by arguing why those who vow to destroy the tiny (very tiny) plot of Jewish land a radioactive death zone.

    Few things in foreign policy infuriate some democrats than the fact that Israel having nuclear weapons and those vowing the total elimination of Jews not having them stopped those country's military attacks against Israel. If Iran can obtain nuclear weapons, Israel's nuclear deterrent is essentially eliminating again making Israel subject to military attack and invasion. This is the real agenda. Those who sob for Palestinians actually are sobbing there is a Jewish country still existing.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Yes, of course. And whoever denies that it's a US interests denies the fact that it's been a universal, though not unanimous, policy position for several decades. At least verbally, the US always supports the notion of self determination, and at least verbally, must denounce Palestinian oppression. But the US has a long and very documented history of supporting and utilizing dictators and authoritarian governments when it was good business, and conducting regime change when it wasn't. Worse, terrorist organizations have been the proxy as well, when beneficial. As Reagan's aide, William Odom said, the US's war on terror is hypocritical. Thankfully unconditional support for Israel is waning in recent years, and the GOP has apparently picked another loosing strategy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    As increasing numbers of Democrats follow Obama lock-step in perfect loyalty, Obama's pro Muslim/anti-Jewish stances increasingly are becoming fanatical, the more Democrats become antisemitic too.

    Being pro-Israel is not becoming a Republican litmus test as Republicans' stance on Israel hasn't changed. Accordingly, the poll question is wrong.

    The REAL poll question should be is being anti-Israel and antisemitic becoming the new Democrat litmus test?
    There are 25 Jewish democrats in congress, 1 Jewish Republican in congress and one Bernie Sanders in Congress. Obama received the majority of the Jewish vote during his presidential election. Netanyahu speaks for Likud (and Shelly Adelson), not for the people of Israel and certainly not for all Jews. Opposing his idiot statements is simply a matter of good policy.

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