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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Gaza has it's own elected government and is autonomous.

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    Perhaps, but you didn't answer. If there's a state, how could Netanyahu promise what he promised?


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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    It's probably about time to start asking if Obama is an anti-semite.
    He is anti-Israel which is populated by Jews. On the other hand he does have many Jews working for him. Does he enjoy bossing Jews around or does he take their advise. Who knows.

    Also how do you categorize the Jews who work for him as he tries to have Israel destroyed. My analogy is they are like the Jewish wardens in the camps during WWII. People like Axelrod and Lew are more loathsome (if that is possible) than Obama.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Every rightist of every empire loves their foreign rapist tiger.









    One can't really blame the GOP in this regard. Israel is a fascist state that does the empires bidding. The logic of why it's supported then is rather easy to grasp.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Perhaps, but you didn't answer. If there's a state, how could Netanyahu promise what he promised?
    Which promise are your asking about?
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Israel is one of those places that goes miles out of its way to protect its people and prevent collateral damage. They do do it right. But, people that don't know only look at a still picture of civilian casualties and make wild assumptions.

    Supporting Israel is a very good international affairs policy because they are a stabilizing force in the region. To withdraw support would lead to a regional war. With every regional war is the chance it could escalate into a world war. That would be a "man-made disaster" that would be devastating. So, as a righty that apparently loves every war ever (or so I've been told in this thread), the police actions that Israel takes to protect its people are not inherently evil and those that support Israel are preferred, but not required. So it is not a litmus test, but it should be part of a well rounded candidates platform.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Supporting Israel is a very good international affairs policy because they are a stabilizing force in the region. To withdraw support would lead to a regional war.
    LOL youve got to be kidding. Isreal is causing most of the wars and conflict in that region since its founding.


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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What exactly is intelligent about opposing a two state solution? Israel does not want the Palestinians in their Jewish state. Do they actually think they can keep them in such wretched conditions perpetually. That notion is dumb as a bag of hammers.
    What was stupid was opposing Mubarak and supporting the installation of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. What was stupid was supporting the rebels in Libya and removing Kadafi, turning the entire country into a radical Islamist stronghold. What was stupid was giving Russia the apprehend in Syria. What was stupid was a deal with Iran which allows them to enrich uranium and that is currently setting off an arms race in the Middle East between Sunni and Shia. What was stupid is trying to destroy our relationship with Israel, our only true ally in the Middle East.

    Obama pointed to Yemen and an example of success in his policy of leading from behind. How's that working out. Obama's foreign policy is a disaster from which we will probably not recover. He's a ****ing idiot.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    LOL youve got to be kidding. Isreal is causing most of the wars and conflict in that region since its founding.


    "Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."
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    Let me sum up how modern Israel was formed. Jews ran from Europe after Hitler destroyed their towns. They sought refuge in Jerusalem. They were rounded up, put in concentration camps (again) and even bombed. The UN stepped in and proposed a two state solution. The next day the surrounding countries attacked. So, while we didn't have enemies before Israel, we made enemies after Israel was formed because we didn't stand idly by and allow the persecution of Jews after WWII. So you can support the Arab states, but you are essentially supporting the antisemitism of the arab nations that want to kill jews just because they are jews. I'm betting you wouldn't knowingly do that.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    It is a key interest of US Foreign Policy. Do you think that Arab countries do not see this as an Arab/Muslim interest?
    And it does have ramifications throughout not only the Muslim world but the EU as well.
    The EU is no longer towing the US line on the situation.
    I think it's nonsense and that it will not have any effect on the US at all whatsoever, neither on the EU.
    I think it's more a case of getting involved in a conflict rather than having an actual interest, of either the EU or of the US.
    If anything it's a US interest that Israel prevails and that's pretty much all there is to it. Israel is the Western democracy that has economic and military ties with the US, and the US gets its oil from countries like Saudi Arabia regardless of Israel prevailing, so yeah.
    And regarding stability it's even a bigger nonsense, since solving the issue will only solve the conflict with the least amount of bloodshed in the entire Mideast, and one that does not influence at all the other conflicts.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Let me sum up how modern Israel was formed. Jews ran from Europe after Hitler destroyed their towns. They sought refuge in Jerusalem. They were rounded up, put in concentration camps (again) and even bombed. The UN stepped in and proposed a two state solution. The next day the surrounding countries attacked. So, while we didn't have enemies before Israel, we made enemies after Israel was formed because we didn't stand idly by and allow the persecution of Jews after WWII. So you can support the Arab states, but you are essentially supporting the antisemitism of the arab nations that want to kill jews just because they are jews. I'm betting you wouldn't knowingly do that.
    You're underestimating him.
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