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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    There's a simplistic and ignorant statement if I've ever seen one.
    It may be somewhat simplistic radcen, but you damn well it is not ignorant. And if you really think that is the case, then show how it is indeed ignorant.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm not questioning that the two states solution is the only solution to the I-P conflict, but that solving the conflict will somehow bring stability to the Mideast.
    I said it supports stability in the Middle East. there is a difference you know.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's something of interest



    William Kristol has made the following boast



    Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us...yahu.html?_r=0
    No. Support for Israel has always been a litmus test for most candidates in the US, especially in the Republican Party. People like Ron Paul have always been the outliers. The real issue is whether or not support for Israel is becoming a partisan issue with elements of the Democratic Party drifting away from the ironclad position that they have historically held.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's something of interest



    William Kristol has made the following boast



    Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us...yahu.html?_r=0
    I say no. Republicans tend to cater to evangelical Christians. Evangelical Christians tend to support Israel due to their belief of the Jews being God's chosen people and Israel as the homeland for Jews.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No it's not a US interest.
    It's something the US supports, it's not an American interest and it has nothing to do with the stability of the entire Mideast.
    It is a key interest of US Foreign Policy. Do you think that Arab countries do not see this as an Arab/Muslim interest?
    And it does have ramifications throughout not only the Muslim world but the EU as well.
    The EU is no longer towing the US line on the situation.
    If my post offends you, I deeply Apple-O-Jize.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    What good is it to negotiate a "Two State Solution" with a negotiating partner that has the goal of eliminating the other state?
    This is an issue for the Israel/Palestine section, but let me briefly say that how the hell do you expect a group of people who have been forced from their homes by the hundreds of thousands, whose innocent children are regularly killed in Israel's "mowing the lawn", to respond. People like Netanyahu appear to be hell bent on eliminating the Palestinians.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Well, it is a part of the Obama plan and the rest of his plan is doing wonders so far.

    What part of the Obama foreign policy is the part that tells you he has the first clue about foreign policy?
    The part that says that there needs to be a two state solution, the part that Netanyahu, the person who William Kristol proudly boasts would be the Republican nominee if the rules were different, rejects.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Support for Israel in the GOP is nothing new. It's been a litmus test for decades for them. Make no mistake about it, socially conservative, dispensationalist, white evangelicals make up the biggest portion of the GOP base. These people see blind support of Israel as something literally commanded by God and that Israel will be central to the End Times which are at hand. They believe that no nation will prosper that does not blindly support the government of Israel. This verse they take to heart:



    -Genesis 12:1-3

    Support for Israel has been a litmus test for the GOP since the rise of the Religious Right back in the 70s.
    I know. I was talking to one of my cousins on the phone once and he started talking to me like that. I did not say anything. It is so sad, that people actually believe that. It is very, very sad.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's something of interest



    William Kristol has made the following boast



    Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us...yahu.html?_r=0
    I'd say it's more of a litmus test for anyone. However in the GOP, ANY critcism of Israel would appear to not be kosher. We see it here. All you have to do is question if more settlements is a good idea and the charges of anti-semitism start flying.


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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    It's not a litmus test. It's consistent and intelligent foreign policy. Democrats should be on board.
    What exactly is intelligent about opposing a two state solution? Israel does not want the Palestinians in their Jewish state. Do they actually think they can keep them in such wretched conditions perpetually. That notion is dumb as a bag of hammers.

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