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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sure, it's not an invasion!!! From the Council on Foreign Relations

    But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU’s expansion eastward and the West’s backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine -- beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 -- were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president -- which he rightly labeled a “coup” -- was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West.

    John J. Mearsheimer | How the West Caused the Ukraine Crisis | Foreign Affairs
    Sounds like the rationalization for Israel holding on to captured territory in the wars against Israel, doesn't it?

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Sounds like the rationalization for Israel holding on to captured territory in the wars against Israel, doesn't it?
    No, we're talking about an entirely different region.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Most Democrats support Russia seizing Crimea. I have not read ONE Democrat, ever, demand that Russia give "a right of return" to evicted Tartar Muslims. Have you? In fact, Putin announced he was going to deport more - saying it was for their own safety.

    Palestinians should be deported to Saudi Arabia and Syria "for their own safety." Then everyone would be happy. Muslims would have their exclusive countries (note the plural) and Jews would have their one tiny little country. Muslims having 99.99% of the land and 99.99% of natural resources of the region seems fair to Muslims.


    I missed the compare and contrast to the Nazi invasion of Sudetenland.

    Democrats have a selective morality and sense of right and wrong. If the person involved is a Democrat, then they can do no wrong. If that person is a republican in exactly the same situation, the reverse is true.

    Why would you cite partisan hacks as the gauge of right and wrong, lawful or illegal, good or bad. They can see nothing but the letter that follows the name of the person giving them their direction.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I missed the compare and contrast to the Nazi invasion of Sudetenland.

    Democrats have a selective morality and sense of right and wrong. If the person involved is a Democrat, then they can do no wrong. If that person is a republican in exactly the same situation, the reverse is true.

    Why would you cite partisan hacks as the gauge of right and wrong, lawful or illegal, good or bad. They can see nothing but the letter that follows the name of the person giving them their direction.
    You describe all partisans whether democrat or republican.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, we're talking about an entirely different region.
    You mean your exact opposite standards against Jews.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You mean your exact opposite standards against Jews.
    What's that mean?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You describe all partisans whether democrat or republican.
    Exactly correct.

    You mentioned Democrats.
    I am not of the mind that a man is either of science or of religion. At his best and his worst, man exists in the misty glimmering where the falling angel meets the rising ape. That he chooses a direction from that point defines him as human.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Wrong as two left shoes. It is indeed a U.S. interest because it does support stability in the Middle East. Why? Because Israel wants to maintain a state that is Jewish in nature, so it is not going to expand Israel to make the Palestinians part of it. For this reason, there is no way forward but a two state solution.

    There will not be a stable Middle East until the Palestinian issue is resolved. There are far too many Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East who perceive that Israel's mistreatment of the Palestinians is part of a larger pattern of behavior that has been hostile to not only the Palestinians but Muslims in the Middle East by Israel and the U.S. as well. The U.S. needs to divorce itself of its past in the Middle East and cannot do so until this issue is resolved.
    Given your intense hatred of Israel and favoring Palestine in starting poll after poll after poll after poll on the forum's top board to tell your views on the I/P issue, I'm surprised you don't also don't start threads about it on the Middle East forum.

    Are you aware that Israel and Palestine are considered part of the Middle East?

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

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    Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test? [W:249]Folks, the question of this thread is:

    "Has support for Israel become the new GOP Litmus Test"

    Your personal views about the Palestine/Israel relationship, or even your personal views regarding ANYTHING relating to Israel, is not the topic of this thread. The topic is whether or not support for Israel is a seeming requirement for a GOP politician/the republican electorate.

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