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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    When the Ukraine gave up its nukes, to promote this, the US and the Ukraine entered into a treaty.

    It was in all the papers.

    Unusua, in that case, that the incisive intellect in the White House seems to have missed it. I thought he read all the papers and THAT is where he and his staff discover things. Apparently everything that they discover.

    This shows, once again, that with Obama in the White House it is far more dangerous to be an ally of the US than it is to be an enemy.

    Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is a political agreement signed in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The Memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.[1]

    The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine as well as those of Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile between 1994 and 1996,[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical though not operational control[citation needed]. The use of the weapons was dependent on Russian controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.[4][5]
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    Any country that gives up it's own defense reliant upon the West and USA are true fools. This has been shown over and over. If Israel gives up it's defensive buffer as Obama and Western countries - plus as Israel's sworn enemies - demand, the Jews of Israel are doomed.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, but the problem with that assertion is the fact that Russia hasn't done what they've been accused of in Ukraine. The US supported a coup in Kiev in the fall of 2013. And the violent overthrow of the elected government. Not a democratic move, at all. Russia's response in Crimea was to that EU/US interference and to secure their interests and people's. I'm not the only one that disagrees on this, there's plenty that do not consider Russia in breach of the BM.
    Keep on cheering the purging, removal and genocide of the Tartars and other Ukranians from Ukraine by the USSR/Russia. Russia's invasion of Crimea and now Eastern Ukraine is the price Ukraine pays for believing the USA and the West would ever keep any defensive promise.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The GOP is being led by people such as John McCain who are warmongers, and Dick Cheney while Bush was in office.

    What is it that Israel does when they regularly engage in the activity that they call "mowing the lawn?"

    Just how is it that over one million people ended up in Gaza in those wretched conditions?
    They are in those conditions because the Muslims/Arabs keep attacking Israel!! It is not any more complicated than that. How are Israelis supposed to trust any of them with the constant attacks, tunnels and wars?
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The only lesson they seem not to have taken away from WW11 is the crime of oppressing the weak.
    So you're still another Holocaust minimizer declaring the genocide of Jews by the millions equates to the situation of the Palestinians. No surprise you would totally trivialize the holocaust with your messages. None whatsoever.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I don't want it smaller at all. From the time of the 67 war, I wish that Israel was able to pull back to defensible borders and stop there. I don't think most Israelis want to hold onto most of the West Bank.
    Those two sentences are self contradict. You don't want Israel to be smaller, you just want it to be smaller.

    You want Israel to pull back from its defensive border to an indefensible position.

    Obviously the election in Israel proved you wrong about what Israelis want.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Any country that gives up it's own defense reliant upon the West and USA are true fools. This has been shown over and over. If Israel gives up it's defensive buffer as Obama and Western countries - plus as Israel's sworn enemies - demand, the Jews of Israel are doomed.
    Lol. What typical bull****. You consider nuclear weapons to be defensive weapons.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What is it that Israel does when they regularly engage in the activity that they call "mowing the lawn?"
    You mean like Obama's drone strikes and unilateral war against Libya?

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    So you're still another Holocaust minimizer declaring the genocide of Jews by the millions equates to the situation of the Palestinians. No surprise you would totally trivialize the holocaust with your messages. None whatsoever.
    I didn't speak about that. However, given their sufferings during the holocaust, its a tragedy that they would hold Palestinians in what so many (including the PM of the UK) consider to be prison camps. Keep cheering that.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You mean like Obama's drone strikes and unilateral war against Libya?
    You a supporter of that too?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol. What typical bull****. You consider nuclear weapons to be defensive weapons.
    All weapons of any kind are both offensive and defensive. There is no difference.

    Nuclear weapons are the most powerful weapons ever conceived. Since Israel has had them not one country has again attacked Israel in a mass military invasion. Your message is so ludicrous it is clear that rationality is irrelevant to your messages, just anti-Israel slogans.

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