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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's something of interest



    William Kristol has made the following boast



    Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us...yahu.html?_r=0

    Perhaps a better question is the inverse. Is it a litmus test to be anti-Israel if you want to be called a true progressive.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    In Israel, the "land for peace" demand is called the "Auschwitz Border" because it makes Israel militarily indefensible the way the Hitler land-for-peace plan in Poland lead to Poland being indefensible and the genocide of Polish Jews in Auschwitz.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    If only Israel will give up it's defensive zone making Israel indefensible - as demanded by Israel's enemies who vow to kill all Jews and by Western powers lead by the USA, there will be "peace in our time."

    "Peace in our time" means the 2nd mass murder of the largest Jewish population in the world now in Israel (the first was in Poland in the 1940s) and another world war - ultimately with nuclear weapons.

    Hopefully, Israeli Jews will continue to oppose their own mass murder and be wise enough not to rely on the USA or the West for any military alliance or support if attacked. The lessons learned in WW2 include absolutely not believing anything Western powers and the USA says in terms of peace and military alliance. Every country that relied upon such reliance and made concessions accordingly as demanded by Western powers and their potential enemy promising peace if they conceded was annihilated.

    Rather than giving up its defensive zones, Israel should be building/buying ballistic missile submarines with nuclear tipped warheads.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If only Israel will give up it's defensive zone making Israel indefensible - as demanded by Israel's enemies who vow to kill all Jews and by Western powers lead by the USA, there will be "peace in our time."

    "Peace in our time" means the 2nd mass murder of the largest Jewish population in the world now in Israel (the first was in Poland in the 1940s) and another world war - ultimately with nuclear weapons.

    Hopefully, Israeli Jews will continue to oppose their own mass murder and be wise enough not to rely on the USA or the West for any military alliance or support if attacked. The lessons learned in WW2 include absolutely not believing anything Western powers and the USA says in terms of peace and military alliance. Every country that relied upon such reliance and made concessions accordingly as demanded by Western powers and their potential enemy promising peace if they conceded was annihilated.

    Rather than giving up its defensive zones, Israel should be building/buying ballistic missile submarines with nuclear tipped warheads.
    The only lesson they seem not to have taken away from WW11 is the crime of oppressing the weak.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And how was Ukraine "under the protection of the US"?
    When the Ukraine gave up its nukes, to promote this, the US and the Ukraine entered into a treaty.

    It was in all the papers.

    Unusua, in that case, that the incisive intellect in the White House seems to have missed it. I thought he read all the papers and THAT is where he and his staff discover things. Apparently everything that they discover.

    This shows, once again, that with Obama in the White House it is far more dangerous to be an ally of the US than it is to be an enemy.

    Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is a political agreement signed in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The Memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.[1]

    The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine as well as those of Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile between 1994 and 1996,[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical though not operational control[citation needed]. The use of the weapons was dependent on Russian controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.[4][5]
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    When the Ukraine gave up its nukes, to promote this, the US and the Ukraine entered into a treaty.

    It was in all the papers.

    Unusua, in that case, that the incisive intellect in the White House seems to have missed it. I thought he read all the papers and THAT is where he and his staff discover things. Apparently everything that they discover.

    This shows, once again, that with Obama in the White House it is far more dangerous to be an ally of the US than it is to be an enemy.

    Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    <snip>
    The Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is a political agreement signed in Budapest, Hungary on 5 December 1994, providing security assurances by its signatories relating to Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. The Memorandum was originally signed by three nuclear powers, the Russian Federation, the United States of America, and the United Kingdom. China and France gave somewhat weaker individual assurances in separate documents.[1]

    The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine as well as those of Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile between 1994 and 1996,[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical though not operational control[citation needed]. The use of the weapons was dependent on Russian controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.[4][5]
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    Yes, but the problem with that assertion is the fact that Russia hasn't done what they've been accused of in Ukraine. The US supported a coup in Kiev in the fall of 2013. And the violent overthrow of the elected government. Not a democratic move, at all. Russia's response in Crimea was to that EU/US interference and to secure their interests and people's. I'm not the only one that disagrees on this, there's plenty that do not consider Russia in breach of the BM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    One reason is that the GOP hasn't seen a war that they do not like. That suits Israel's purposes well in the Middle East.
    Right, but for the wrong reason. Israel is constantly attacked and wants a partner that will come to their defense.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The only lesson they seem not to have taken away from WW11 is the crime of oppressing the weak.
    World War Eleven?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Right, but for the wrong reason. Israel is constantly attacked and wants a partner that will come to their defense.
    The GOP is being led by people such as John McCain who are warmongers, and Dick Cheney while Bush was in office.

    What is it that Israel does when they regularly engage in the activity that they call "mowing the lawn?"

    Just how is it that over one million people ended up in Gaza in those wretched conditions?

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