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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes I agree.

    I believe that all those who were displaced should have the option to return to their homeland. They should have that option. Does that mean they all will take that option? Doubtful. Hell, "An independent poll conducted in 2003 with the Palestinian populations of Gaza, West Bank, Jordan and Lebanon showed that the majority (54%) would accept a financial compensation and a place to live in West Bank or Gaza in place of returning to the exact place in modern-day Israel where they or their ancestors lived (this possibility of settlement is contemplated in the Resolution 194).Only 10% said they would live in Israel if given the option." Palestinian refugees | World Public Library - eBooks | Read eBooks online
    No I do believe that. Nor do I think it would "destroy Israel".
    Despite there now being 5 MILLION 'palestinian' 'refugees', (out to a 4th Gen) almost NONE of the original 700,000 Survive.

    There is NO "Right of Return" for them, nor for others (ie, Millions of 1947 India/Pak partitioners, or 2 Million 1945 Sudeten Germans)

    And of course, due to their population Explosion, Most would have had to move a few miles anyway.
    NO FURTHER than they live now!
    So let's just make them citizens-in-place of wherever they are: the Same/Next NON-descript Arid hill in 'paleshtein' or Jordan or Syria or Lebanon. It's not like they're exiled in Iceland.
    The same way All other post WWII refugees got absorbed.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Israel has the same right to exist as any other nation, but the principle of an ethno-religious state is inherently at odds with democracy within a multi-cultural society. This is nothing new, is not anti-Semitic, and has been a source of debate within Israel as it struggles to square it's Jewish identity with the realities of existing as a democracy.
    Many, perhaps Most states are 'ethno-religious'.

    In fact, the Newest Countries ARE for the SAME reason Israel was/is.
    South Sudan and the Balkan separation happened, mercifully, because separate groups that could not get along.

    Israel was Partitioned (as opposed to an earlier promise to the Jews for the whole thing) because Arabs Objected.
    So an Arab and a Jewish state were created.
    The Arabs refused this shared-land agreement and went to war.

    So Israel was Specifically created AS a homeland FOR the Jews!
    That, unlike say the USA, Was it's Purpose.
    Nonetheless, it's Arab Citizens are treated as well as minorities in most states. They don't flee to any of the neighboring Arab paradises.

    Several dozen other Countries offer priority in immigration for their Ethnic Nationals as well.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Did he provide a map of Israel? Cannot find it in the Bible?
    You can start with this. What Does the Bible Say About Promised Land Boundaries?

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    Can you provide a rough date for when this occurred?
    And yep, I am a Christian.
    Prophecy Fulfilled: Israel Becomes A Nation In 1948

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Haha what? Slavery? What does being critical of right-wing Israeli policy have to do with slavery? This defies even your own bizarre use of conflation.



    Which has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
    It has nothing to do with the price of tea in China and everything to do with your messages.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes I agree.


    I believe that all those who were displaced should have the option to return to their homeland. They should have that option. Does that mean they all will take that option? Doubtful. Hell, "An independent poll conducted in 2003 with the Palestinian populations of Gaza, West Bank, Jordan and Lebanon showed that the majority (54%) would accept a financial compensation and a place to live in West Bank or Gaza in place of returning to the exact place in modern-day Israel where they or their ancestors lived (this possibility of settlement is contemplated in the Resolution 194).Only 10% said they would live in Israel if given the option." Palestinian refugees | World Public Library - eBooks | Read eBooks online


    No I do believe that. Nor do I think it would "destroy Israel".
    If you message is anything but anti-Semitic bigotry about "right to return," post a link to ANY message you have posted of the "right to return" of the Tartars of Crimea. Or the "right of return" of any peoples anywhere else in the world.

    I'm going to guess you've never posted such a message. Am I correct?

    Increasingly Democrats are following Obama's lead with outright grotesque bigotry against Jews and Israel. Unlike Muslim countries, Israel has a LARGE percentage of non-Jews, where Muslim theocratic countries do NOT have a large percentage of non-Muslims.

    I understand what you want. You want 5 million non-Jews in Israel so it is no longer a Jewish country - your own version of how you want the only Jewish nation in the world eliminated. Why not just call it what it is, the age old bigotry and hatred of Jews?

    No, you do not want to destroy Israel. You want to destroy Israel as a Jewish country - clearly that is your goal. And a goal shared by hundreds of millions of other people.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Finding a website that agrees with you is not research. Just below your google search was this link which you chose not to follow. Iran's Ballistic Missile Program | The Iran Primer

    The Saudi's support anyone who will oppose Iranian takeover of the majority of the Middle East. They'll have to wait for our next presidential election to find an Ally in the US.

    I don't appreciate your condescension and snarky tone. I find your comments to be marginally relevant and slanted toward those of the administration which are frankly stupid.
    Well, perhaps if you act like you want to be treated then maybe you will. But as it stands, you're quite condescending yourself.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Abbas already let go of the ROR. Israel building new settlements does not help the situation it inflames the issue.
    Some will say,Israel returned Gaza and what are we facing but continuous wars. And their point is right. Turning over part of a State (sections of the WB), with the implicit understanding that the Palestinian Govt must address all security issues.
    But the 67 borders will never happen. Israel must have secure borders. But that will entail certain settlements being returned to Palestine.
    Palestine must also have free passage within their State, not a State that is chopped up like swiss cheese. Where they would become economically dependent upon Israel.
    I agree that settlements have to be returned in the West Bank . Not sure about your contiguous state comment. If you mean Gaza and the West Bank, they were always separated. If you mean within the West Bank I agree. Maybe it should be a three state solution. Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.

    My thought was that Israel should have stated that Gaza was an independent state as soon as they left.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    If you message is anything but anti-Semitic bigotry about "right to return," post a link to ANY message you have posted of the "right to return" of the Tartars of Crimea. Or the "right of return" of any peoples anywhere else in the world.
    What? Are you accusing me of being anti-Semitic?

    I'm going to guess you've never posted such a message. Am I correct?
    I have stated in several threads throughout here that if a community is forced out of their homeland by war or conflict that they have the right to return back to their homeland.

    Increasingly Democrats are following Obama's lead with outright grotesque bigotry against Jews and Israel.
    What are you talking about?

    Unlike Muslim countries, Israel has a LARGE percentage of non-Jews, where Muslim theocratic countries do NOT have a large percentage of non-Muslims.
    And thats great... Dont see how this at all relates to this.. .


    I understand what you want. You want 5 million non-Jews in Israel so it is no longer a Jewish country - your own version of how you want the only Jewish nation in the world eliminated.
    Baseless accusations against me.

    Why not just call it what it is, the age old bigotry and hatred of Jews?
    Well I dont hate Jews....

    No, you do not want to destroy Israel. You want to destroy Israel as a Jewish country - clearly that is your goal. And a goal shared by hundreds of millions of other people.
    So you essentially have just moved your argument to baseless accusations.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I agree that settlements have to be returned in the West Bank . Not sure about your contiguous state comment. If you mean Gaza and the West Bank, they were always separated. If you mean within the West Bank I agree. Maybe it should be a three state solution. Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.

    My thought was that Israel should have stated that Gaza was an independent state as soon as they left.
    Upon agreeing should Israel then declare war due to the attacks?

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What? Are you accusing me of being anti-Semitic?


    I have stated in several threads throughout here that if a community is forced out of their homeland by war or conflict that they have the right to return back to their homeland.


    What are you talking about?


    And thats great... Dont see how this at all relates to this.. .



    Baseless accusations against me.


    Well I dont hate Jews....


    So you essentially have just moved your argument to baseless accusations.
    Really? Link to any message of your advocacy of any other particular group's right to return? You didn't do so. Thus, you have to explain your fixation against only Israel specifically.

    The effect of what you want is obvious - to make Jews the minority in Israel as that would be the effect. Why deny your own advocacy?

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