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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Israel has the same right to exist as any other nation, but the principle of an ethno-religious state is inherently at odds with democracy within a multi-cultural society. This is nothing new, is not anti-Semitic, and has been a source of debate within Israel as it struggles to square it's Jewish identity with the realities of existing as a democracy.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Although we may have some common values, what is more important is common interests. And it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of Israel are quickly diverging from those of the United States.
    Not from the United States, but diverging from an anti-Semitic, evil-appeasing White House and its minions.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No doubt about it. Therefore, Israel is becoming a net liability relative to U.S. interests rather than an asset. Republicans need to realize this. To see how this is indeed the case, note the following words of the wise statesman, James Baker.
    If Israel sees its future with Netanyahu, it is becoming quite apparent that the interests of the United States are rapidly diverging from those of Israel.
    Where's this Administration's demand that the Palestinians stop supporting terrorist groups like Hamas which call for the destruction of Israel?

    The problem with this Administration and their sycophants is that they're Biblically-challenged and fail to recognize that God reestablished the nation of Israel (Ezekiel chapters 37-38, etc.), and that when you go up against Israel, you're going up against God Almighty.

    You watch - Israel will not be defeated or forced into a bad deal like what Obama is doing with Iran.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Almost the entire world agrees that Iran has a right to have nuclear power....but not nuclear weapons. Do you know the difference between nuclear power and nuclear weapons?
    The Saudi's instigated and funded the military coup that overthrew the democratically elected government in Egypt because they didn't want any Islamic government in the ME except theirs. You know Saudi Arabia is not a democracy, right?
    I know the difference but you do NOT.

    I already commented in this string previously on it.
    As a signatory to the NPT, Iran is even entitled to Help with Peaceful power needs.

    In that spirit, And in an effort to Resolve the matter in 2004, the EU offered FREE Off-site enrichment, a windfall for Iran, but they Refused because they could Not Divert fissionable material to a weapons program that way.


    And it has been Nothing Delay/BS since.
    Try again?
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Europe hating Jews is as predictable and historic as it gets, isn't it?
    Same as those that hate all Muslims- Hate is hate is it not?
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    What a stupid comment. Being opposed to Netanyahu is not anti-Semitic. Hell, even being opposed to the state of Israel (which few Democrats are) is not anti-Semitic.
    The point is - If you disagree with any Israeli policy, then you do not pass the GOP litmus test.
    If anyone disagrees with Israeli polices, then you are with the terrorists.
    Same as on many boards- if you disagree with an Israeli policy, you are antisemitic or a supporter of terrorist.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The problem is that you're not actually showing, as you probably believe that you do, how this is an American or European interest. But rather what you're doing is emphasizing why Israel receives unfair attention - hypocritical even - among Western citizens and leaders and why it is so wrong that the focus on Israel is always so ridiculously disproportional when hundreds are murdered in places like Syria every bloody day yet people concern themselves about 300 houses that are being built for some Jewish families in some hell hole in the West Bank.

    Those who oppose Israel constantly and who are known as "anti-Israeli" 'criticize' Israel due to irrational hatred burning within them towards the Jewish state, how else can you explain the fact that these people believe Israel should receive thousands of rockets on its cities without taking any military action against the terrorists? These are a group of people who believe that Israel has no right to self-defense and falsely claim that it targets civilians for murder. In any other nation's case, US for example, who knows what would be the reply to thousands of rockets that are constantly launched at your civilians, even if you have advanced defense systems that minimize casualties such as those Israel has you have to react with a military operation. So the claim that Israel 'loses support' during such operations when in reality the only thing that happens is that these anti-Israelis are screaming louder is not at all accurate.

    Regarding Netanyahu's comments - he didn't reject his support for the two-states solution, all he's done is to say that it's not going to happen during his term because the Palestinians have made it clear that they're not willing to accept his conditions, the ones from 2009 in the speech at the Bar Ilan University where he had stated that he endorses the two-states solution. Even Obama admitted that this is all he said in his recent speech with the leader of Afghanistan. The amount of lies that are surrounding Israel when it comes to "news" is ridiculous, and the amount of people who believe these lies are way more.

    So to return to the subject no, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict does not constitute an interest for either the US or the European nations.
    A national interest is something that benefits your nation, not something that you are interested in as a person.
    I see your points but I differ. Addressing and solving this issue can remove one less irritant between the West and Muslim Govts.
    Each countries interest for lack of a better phase, on a scale. Critical to non critical and the 2 State solution is in there. Not at the top, but still in the US and Wests interests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    So let me define it not rely on Netanyahu to speak for me (which he doesn't). Approximately 20% of Israel today are Arabs. They should have the full rights, like any citizen of the state.
    Yes I agree.

    The real issue is the "right of return" which if you take Abbas at his word would mean Palestinians would control both of the two state solution, thus really a one state solution. My sense is that is what you want as well,
    I believe that all those who were displaced should have the option to return to their homeland. They should have that option. Does that mean they all will take that option? Doubtful. Hell, "An independent poll conducted in 2003 with the Palestinian populations of Gaza, West Bank, Jordan and Lebanon showed that the majority (54%) would accept a financial compensation and a place to live in West Bank or Gaza in place of returning to the exact place in modern-day Israel where they or their ancestors lived (this possibility of settlement is contemplated in the Resolution 194).Only 10% said they would live in Israel if given the option." Palestinian refugees | World Public Library - eBooks | Read eBooks online

    perhaps not. You can let us know.
    No I do believe that. Nor do I think it would "destroy Israel".


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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    So let me define it not rely on Netanyahu to speak for me (which he doesn't). Approximately 20% of Israel today are Arabs. They should have the full rights, like any citizen of the state. The real issue is the "right of return" which if you take Abbas at his word would mean Palestinians would control both of the two state solution, thus really a one state solution. My sense is that is what you want as well, perhaps not. You can let us know.
    Abbas already let go of the ROR. Israel building new settlements does not help the situation it inflames the issue.
    Some will say,Israel returned Gaza and what are we facing but continuous wars. And their point is right. Turning over part of a State (sections of the WB), with the implicit understanding that the Palestinian Govt must address all security issues.
    But the 67 borders will never happen. Israel must have secure borders. But that will entail certain settlements being returned to Palestine.
    Palestine must also have free passage within their State, not a State that is chopped up like swiss cheese. Where they would become economically dependent upon Israel.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Not from the United States, but diverging from an anti-Semitic, evil-appeasing White House and its minions.



    Where's this Administration's demand that the Palestinians stop supporting terrorist groups like Hamas which call for the destruction of Israel?

    The problem with this Administration and their sycophants is that they're Biblically-challenged and fail to recognize that God reestablished the nation of Israel (Ezekiel chapters 37-38, etc.), and that when you go up against Israel, you're going up against God Almighty.

    You watch - Israel will not be defeated or forced into a bad deal like what Obama is doing with Iran.
    Did he provide a map of Israel? Cannot find it in the Bible?
    Can you provide a rough date for when this occurred?
    And yep, I am a Christian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes I agree.


    I believe that all those who were displaced should have the option to return to their homeland. They should have that option. Does that mean they all will take that option? Doubtful. Hell, "An independent poll conducted in 2003 with the Palestinian populations of Gaza, West Bank, Jordan and Lebanon showed that the majority (54%) would accept a financial compensation and a place to live in West Bank or Gaza in place of returning to the exact place in modern-day Israel where they or their ancestors lived (this possibility of settlement is contemplated in the Resolution 194).Only 10% said they would live in Israel if given the option." Palestinian refugees | World Public Library - eBooks | Read eBooks online


    No I do believe that. Nor do I think it would "destroy Israel".
    I disagree, the vast majority left on the orders of Arabs.
    They left on their own volition, expecting to reap the harvest of an Israeli genocide conducted by the Armies and Govts attacking the new State, no ROR.
    They left, my opinion, **** them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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