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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    As increasing numbers of Democrats follow Obama lock-step in perfect loyalty, Obama's pro Muslim/anti-Jewish stances increasingly are becoming fanatical, the more Democrats become antisemitic too.
    What a stupid comment. Being opposed to Netanyahu is not anti-Semitic. Hell, even being opposed to the state of Israel (which few Democrats are) is not anti-Semitic.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    It's more of an American trait rather than a strictly Republican phenomenon. We support Israel because we hold common ideals in a strategic region in which those values are severely lacking. While not as steadfast as the right, a Democratic candidate who openly eschewed our alliance would likely face significant blowback as well.
    Please refrain from using "We." Neo-cons have common interests with one segment of Israel that controls that country. The rest of us in America do not subscribe, and yes, it is primarily one segment of the Republican party that is most incestuous in this fatalistic love affair.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If they do, no one has been able to find it, let alone prove it. It's kinda like trying to prove a negative.


    Then I guess you don't keep up with the news because Iran isn't working on and doesn't have ICBMs....

    Analysis: Iranian ICBM claim falls short of the mark - IHS Jane's 360

    Pentagon Changes Its Assessment of Iran


    With the Saudi's full support....

    Support for el-Sisi: What


    You knew the US isn't Sunni or Shia, right?

    Saudi's are Salafists and Salafists reject democracy and Egypt's democratically elected president was ousted and replaced by a military dictator supported by the Saudi's. So what does that tell you?
    Finding a website that agrees with you is not research. Just below your google search was this link which you chose not to follow. Iran's Ballistic Missile Program | The Iran Primer

    The Saudi's support anyone who will oppose Iranian takeover of the majority of the Middle East. They'll have to wait for our next presidential election to find an Ally in the US.

    I don't appreciate your condescension and snarky tone. I find your comments to be marginally relevant and slanted toward those of the administration which are frankly stupid.
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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    They are all liar's. They are indeed politicians.
    Yep, and that's why the world is in such a mess today. But you know its ESPECIALLY bad when you are such a big liar that even a politician like Sarkozy can't stand you. That's why I said even someone like Sarkozy.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Whether Israel had been, and is, blocking the creation of a Hamas state or not, there will be no peace for Israel, and that brings me to the reason for butting in.
    Let us not forget the most significant bond between Israel and the US. We are hated by a large percentage of Muslims and t/o the world for various reasons. That alone makes us allies.
    And there are historical reasons that they bear that hatred towards us. The thing is this, we can't break with that past as long as we are bombing and killing innocent Muslims in the Middle East. We need to stop that on our end. But Israel is constantly imploring us to do so. The other thing is that as long as Israel is mistreating the Palestinians they way they do, there will not be peace there. Israel thinks that they can either beat them into submission or keep them in that wretched state forever. Its a delusional policy that they have. And as long as we support it, the Arabs and Muslims in the Middle East and indeed elsewhere will hate us for it. There is simply no way forward but to make a just and lasting peace with these people, and it won't be done as long as Israel is engaging regularly in the activity of what they term "mowing the lawn" and killing hundreds of innocent Palestinian children.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Actually, Jews are safer in the US than they are in Israel.
    Great point!

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    What a stupid comment. Being opposed to Netanyahu is not anti-Semitic. Hell, even being opposed to the state of Israel (which few Democrats are) is not anti-Semitic.

    And being opposed to slavery wasn't anti-black.

    Hatred of Jews is probably the oldest bigotry of all. Yet bigots will generally deny they are bigots.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    And being opposed to slavery wasn't anti-black.

    Hatred of Jews is probably the oldest bigotry of all. Yet bigots will generally deny they are bigots.
    And your conflating anti-semitism with legitimate criticism of Israeli foreign policy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Do you, because you don't show it?

    Actually, Jews are safer in the US than they are in Israel.

    That statement is both completely irrelevant and is laced with bigotry. Bigotry against Jews is so engrained that there are almost endless justifications and slogans for it that just seem logical and right to many people.

    What is the relevancy of your statement - other than to agree the dangers to Israel? The United States does not have an open door policy towards Jews, does it? Bigotry, oppression and violence against Jews did not end with the defeat of Hitler, discrimination and oppression of Jews limited to Germany, nor were Jews who fled Europe invited to return. Israel has an open door policy towards all Jews anywhere in the world. It is the ONLY place Jews can flee to. The USA does NOT have an open door policy towards Jews and therefore the safety of the United States is irrelevant to anything.

    The bigotry of the statement also is clear. The United States is not a Jewish state. So what your message says, without saying it, is that Jews should leave Israel (the demand of Muslim theocrats) and come live as illegal immigrants in the USA where they will live as Americans as a minority in a non-theocratic/ethnic country rather than in their own - meaning a demand they don't act like Jews in terms of government - while you are perfectly fine with Muslims having their own theocratic governments.

    After the genocide of the holocaust (of an endless history of oppression against Jews around the world), Jews recaptured their ancestral homeland. Of the 57,000,000 square miles of land, they only have 8,000. Predictably, anti-Semitic bigots will focus their hatred and bigotry on Israel and make endless demands against Jews of Israel they make against no other country.

    Have you posted messages demanding Turkey, Syrian and Iraq agree to a two-state solution with the Kurds? A two-state solution anywhere to resolve the fighting between Shia and Sunni? Does President Obama? Of course not. Rather, the fixation is on Jews and Israel.

    Palestinians are safer in the United States. That also is irrelevant to anything.

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    Re: Has support for Israel become the new GOP litmus test?

    The support for Israel goes above "war". I support them because they are the closest thing to a free Democracy in the Middle East.

    Dispute my comments as you wish, but that's why Israel has my support.

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