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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I spent 33 years teaching. I try to no longer post in education threads because I got sick and tired of being sick and tired trying to argue with people who had no idea what they were talking about as they did not have any real experience with that issue.

    This reminds me of that.
    So congressmen don't spend as much time worrying about re-election as they do actually doing their jobs? So laws passed don't ever have unintended consequences?
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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post

    You apparently wasted your time then and continue to do so.
    The only true waste of time is posting to people like you who have no idea what they are talking about when they take on a subject in which they have no one iota of practical or real experience.
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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    So congressmen don't spend as much time worrying about re-election as they do actually doing their jobs? So laws passed don't ever have unintended consequences?
    Re-electiopn is their top priority. Adding review of 10% of past laws every years DOES NOT AND WILL NOT CHANGE THAT REALITY.

    Of course some laws have unintended consequences... and they can be negative ones to boot. And when that happens they can alter or repeal the law without any stupid "you gotta review every law every decade" nonsense.
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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    I was looking at the astounding number of federal laws passed every single year, and it occurred to me: part of the problem is that elected officials feel the need to "do something". With millions of laws on the books, all they can do is make more and more laws, which further and further stifle us as a country.



    I propose that all laws not specifically enumerated in The Constitution expire after 10 years.

    This would give us

    A) something for the politicians to "do" without thinking of new crap to tie us up with
    B) it would mean "bad" law doesn't last for decades (NFA Act '37 for example)
    C) It would mean law more closely matches the current political makeup. No ramming something through in the dead of the night which is still there years later, even though it was passed through deceit and legislative maneuvering ala ObamaCare, Social Security etc....
    It should depend on the type of law. For example laws saying politicians can't take bribes should never expire while laws making certain substances illegal or certain treaties should probably be reviewed.
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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The only true waste of time is posting to people like you who have no idea what they are talking about when they take on a subject in which they have no one iota of practical or real experience.
    So back to the topic... if politicians had a motivation and incentive to get rid of older laws which may or may not apply to life today, it would actually be doing more good than what they currently do, which is bicker and make nonsensical partisan vomit, like your post there. The question is, what would prompt politicians to actually do that and what projected good or harm would it provide in the present and future? Since such a discussion and hypothesis is far above your pay grade I'll look for others to join in for constructive comments.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So back to the topic... if politicians had a motivation and incentive to get rid of older laws which may or may not apply to life today, it would actually be doing more good than what they currently do, which is bicker and make nonsensical partisan vomit, like your post there.
    This is just your typical cheap personal attack clothed in vitriol and bitterness disguised as pretending to get "back to the topic".

    Listening to you pretend that you can rearrange the work schedules of legislators and their duties is like listening to a hamster talk about playing linebacker in the NFL.
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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    I don't think that all laws should be reviewed every 10 years, but I do believe that many laws should have expiration dates.

    I think there is a lot of review of laws taking place--everytime someone wants to slip a loophole into an existing law, a lot of study had been done in knowing what to change and how to change it. I think that work should be done by non-partisan civil servants and not political staff only trying to help a small constituency.
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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I don't think that all laws should be reviewed every 10 years, but I do believe that many laws should have expiration dates.

    I think there is a lot of review of laws taking place--everytime someone wants to slip a loophole into an existing law, a lot of study had been done in knowing what to change and how to change it. I think that work should be done by non-partisan civil servants and not political staff only trying to help a small constituency.
    Your ideas make a whole lot more sense than the proposal in the OP. I like the idea of non political civil servants reviewing existing law and making recommendations.
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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Good god no. What a recipe for uncertainty and instability. I would be appalled if I couldn't be confident what the laws of the United States would be year to year because of the incessant expiration of laws. Not to mention the absurdity of having our legislature devoting the bulk of its time to the endless review of laws it already passed. We're the United States not some tinpot banana republic. Ridiculous.
    Funny which ones has millions of mindless meant to do nothing but create a police state?

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    Re: Should ALL laws sunset after 10 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Np doubt with with Republicans firmly in control of majorities in both houses of Congress your statement may well prove prophetic.
    If the tenth amendment had actually been enforced, FDR's nonsense would have never seen the light of day



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