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    Re: Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Great really. It needs more research to be economically viable though. That was the case , when I last checked.
    The economic viability can get better through research and scaling,
    but the curves are already in motion. Energy from oil will on average keep increasing in cost.
    We often here of all the subsidies oil companies receive, what we do not hear about is the
    financial risks they take.
    The extraction side of oil companies take much larger risks than most businesses.
    The lease mineral right for an area, that has promising geophysical surveys.
    They decide the best place to punch a hole.
    They spend large amounts of money drilling, on the chance they might hit oil or gas.
    Those risks include thinks like rigs blowing up, it is dirty dangerous work.
    If the oil companies can make their own feedstock for a known price without that risk,
    it will limit the value of oil extraction.
    They are already going to expensive efforts to extract oil from places not thought economically viable.

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    Re: Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    This question has many that branch off from it...


    Without reducing the world population and without being able to control or regulate other foreign countries.... does anyone really expect to be able to reduce carbon emissions on a grand scale enough to halt it's affect on global warming(if there is a definitive causation)?


    Do you expect all the oil-producing countries to stop doing so?


    When it comes to oil and gasoline, unless there arises a cheaper option(even then, it will always be there), these commodities will be expended until they run out permanently... until these resources become rare enough to not become a reasonable means to use.


    If these are the things that are causing global warming/climate change... I believe it is inevitable, no matter own many world conventions you have that us humans will expend every last drop of oil on this planet.




    What can be changed? What can be stopped? What is worth fighting for when it comes to the environment?
    In my opinion...
    -toxic substances like pesticides, high sulfur content in coal, acids, toxic waste, mercury, arsenic, etc.
    These are all substances, with good practices, that can largely be eliminated

    -Deforestation, bad farming practices, errosion
    All can be done with good farming practices and alternatives
    It would take a world wide effort which ain't gonna happen. Almost every country would have to lower their standard of living to accomplish it. Cheap power from coal and oil would have to be replaced by more expensive power.

    I think you hit some of the solutions on the head, stop clear cutting the rain forest and stop clearing farms and replacing them with asphalt and concrete for urban and suburban sprawl. That is not going to happen.
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    Re: Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    The economic viability can get better through research and scaling,
    but the curves are already in motion. Energy from oil will on average keep increasing in cost.
    We often here of all the subsidies oil companies receive, what we do not hear about is the
    financial risks they take.
    The extraction side of oil companies take much larger risks than most businesses.
    The lease mineral right for an area, that has promising geophysical surveys.
    They decide the best place to punch a hole.
    They spend large amounts of money drilling, on the chance they might hit oil or gas.
    Those risks include thinks like rigs blowing up, it is dirty dangerous work.
    If the oil companies can make their own feedstock for a known price without that risk,
    it will limit the value of oil extraction.
    They are already going to expensive efforts to extract oil from places not thought economically viable.
    I know all that and did the math on it once or twice. It is very iffy that the necessary investments at present technology/price are net beneficial. That is changing compared to the first calculations I read and did. And it is improving continuously. One problem is that the ecology peole were calling loudly for change, when change was a very sub-optimal strategy, while they were saying it was optimal. And you know how it is. When someone lied in your face, you tend not to trust him.

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    Re: Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I know all that and did the math on it once or twice. It is very iffy that the necessary investments at present technology/price are net beneficial. That is changing compared to the first calculations I read and did. And it is improving continuously. One problem is that the ecology peole were calling loudly for change, when change was a very sub-optimal strategy, while they were saying it was optimal. And you know how it is. When someone lied in your face, you tend not to trust him.
    I know it is not there...Yet, but as I said the curves are in motion.
    At some point (perhaps maybe 100 years in the future) this will be a necessity,
    but for now I think it would be good planning to explore the technology.
    The photovoltaic panels already make since as a retirement vehicle, but that is a narrow scope.
    ($16K spent while working, that will save about $120 per month while retired)
    There is also a danger that the ecology people would be willing to pay more for carbon neutral
    fuels than they are worth, and delay the cutover, by keeping the prices artificially high.

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    Re: Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

    Partially .. at best ..The maturity level of man is simply not that high .. he is too selfish .. and this requires quite the attitude change .. Our planet can handle this "partialness" . But the people , those living on the edge ..they will suffer .. then we will as well

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    To reverse climate change I thought all we had to do was drop some large ice cubes in the Arctic Ocean, or is that not accurate?
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    Re: Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    To reverse climate change I thought all we had to do was drop some large ice cubes in the Arctic Ocean, or is that not accurate?
    Not accurate

    You also need a swizzle stick larger than our current technoogy can build.
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    Re: Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

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    The cure for global warming is nuclear winter.
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    Re: Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not accurate

    You also need a swizzle stick larger than our current technoogy can build.
    OH GOD!!! We are doomed!
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    Re: Is it realistically possible to reverse climate change?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    This question has many that branch off from it...


    Without reducing the world population and without being able to control or regulate other foreign countries.... does anyone really expect to be able to reduce carbon emissions on a grand scale enough to halt it's affect on global warming(if there is a definitive causation)?


    Do you expect all the oil-producing countries to stop doing so?


    When it comes to oil and gasoline, unless there arises a cheaper option(even then, it will always be there), these commodities will be expended until they run out permanently... until these resources become rare enough to not become a reasonable means to use.


    If these are the things that are causing global warming/climate change... I believe it is inevitable, no matter own many world conventions you have that us humans will expend every last drop of oil on this planet.




    What can be changed? What can be stopped? What is worth fighting for when it comes to the environment?
    In my opinion...
    -toxic substances like pesticides, high sulfur content in coal, acids, toxic waste, mercury, arsenic, etc.
    These are all substances, with good practices, that can largely be eliminated

    -Deforestation, bad farming practices, errosion
    All can be done with good farming practices and alternatives
    I think as technology improves we will have the ability to change ocean and air currents and have the ability to make it rain or snow where ever we want we can change the climate.But the process of trying to make an exact science can be too disastrous and should not be done.Climate change happens naturally, trying to mess it in order to "reverse" it should be avoided.
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