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Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?


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Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans

Senate Republicans blocked Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) from bringing up her bill to allow students to refinance their loans.

GOP blocks Warren

They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
 
Since the current condition of the economy is the main reason they can't find jobs [to help pay back these loans] ....no
 
Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans

GOP blocks Warren

They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

I disagree that this example alone suggests that Republicans are against the middle class and somehow Democrats are for them. Student loans are a huge problem in this nation, and I would argue that rising higher education costs well north of inflation year on year has more to do with government interference than otherwise. That interference mainly lead by Democrats, and as a result student loan debt is now higher than credit card debt in this nation. We have no choice but to conclude that neither Republicans or Democrats are interested in the middle class, this effort by Warren is nothing more than politics. Does little to address the underline problem of so many obtaining an education and being fiscally punished for it the moment the graduate effecting everything from a first home purchase to marriage and kids. The economic results do not live up to the hype of debt based obtaining of a higher education, and you can thank both parties for the mess. No one gets a pass here, just because of this latest effort by Warren.
 
Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

No, they simply strongly disagree with the Democrats on the methods that best go about helping the middle class, either in the long term or the short term. Undoubtably as well they likely have, in some fashions, different metrics and methods of determining what is "helpful" and what "isn't" in their minds.

The only way to say the Republicans are against helping the middle class is by judging them based off the Democratic view point on the issue as being the only potential way to view it and absolute/singular objective fact.
 
Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



GOP blocks Warren

They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

You might try to be a bit honest when opening a thread, your choice. First you fail to mention that the article linked is SIX MONTHS OLD. You also failed to mention that one senator raised the issue of allowing for amendments, which Warren refused.

Sad that political discourse has sunk to this level for so many.
 
Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



GOP blocks Warren

They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

The best fences for the middle class are restrictions and regulations imposed on industry/corporations. Deregulation went on the fast track beginning with Reagan and the diminishing power of the middle class has followed with it.

Reagan pushed for deregulation of industries, including banking; he slashed income taxes for the wealthiest Americans in an experiment known as “supply side” economics, which held falsely that cutting rates for the rich would increase revenues and eliminate the federal deficit.

Over the years, “supply side” would evolve into a secular religion for many on the Right, but Reagan’s budget director David Stockman once blurted out the truth, that it would lead to red ink “as far as the eye could see.

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/06/ronald-reagan-worst-president-ever-2/
 
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I disagree that this example alone suggests that Republicans are against the middle class and somehow Democrats are for them. Student loans are a huge problem in this nation, and I would argue that rising higher education costs well north of inflation year on year has more to do with government interference than otherwise. That interference mainly lead by Democrats, and as a result student loan debt is now higher than credit card debt in this nation. We have no choice but to conclude that neither Republicans or Democrats are interested in the middle class, this effort by Warren is nothing more than politics. Does little to address the underline problem of so many obtaining an education and being fiscally punished for it the moment the graduate effecting everything from a first home purchase to marriage and kids. The economic results do not live up to the hype of debt based obtaining of a higher education, and you can thank both parties for the mess. No one gets a pass here, just because of this latest effort by Warren.

First of all you have made a distortion in that you say that the example was meant to suggest that Democrats are for the middle class. So right off the bat you have demonstrated bias. The next thing is that you are wrong when you suggest that the Democrats are mainly responsible for the conditions that have led to student loan debt being higher than credit card debt (if that is indeed true).

The thing is this, people should be able to refinance student loans to take advantage of lower interest rates. That is something that would provide much needed relief to the middle class. That Republicans oppose this and other such measures that would give the middle class some relief, demonstrates a pattern of behavior that is hostile to middle class interests.
 
Hack thread disguised as a poll. It is this kind of stuff which keeps me away from the Partisan forum.
 
The premise of the OP that anyone is trying to reduce opportunities for anyone is mean spirited in and of itself. And the last 50 some years of the left's so called War on Poverty is proof enough of the wisdom of their well intentioned programs. But they just won't give up and let something that might work replace those policies.
 
First of all you have made a distortion in that you say that the example was meant to suggest that Democrats are for the middle class. So right off the bat you have demonstrated bias. The next thing is that you are wrong when you suggest that the Democrats are mainly responsible for the conditions that have led to student loan debt being higher than credit card debt (if that is indeed true).

The thing is this, people should be able to refinance student loans to take advantage of lower interest rates. That is something that would provide much needed relief to the middle class. That Republicans oppose this and other such measures that would give the middle class some relief, demonstrates a pattern of behavior that is hostile to middle class interests.

No really, what my argument was about was you cherry picking something that *might* help the middle class as an argument that Democrats care for the middle class and Republicans "demonstrate a pattern of behavior that is hostile to middle class interests" while ignoring all other actions to date from both parties.

It is extremely naive to suggest Warren's bill was only about student loan refinance, another active part of the discussion was what would pay for the difference. A tax on millionaires in the form of something very close to the so called "Buffet" rule going so far as to include language that suggested how well the taxation efforts ended up would result in continued rate decreases for those that have existing student loans.

The distortion is this bill was about Warren jumping on the political bandwagon of class warfare and suggesting the middle class would be helped, and we have little evidence that would be the case. Once she disagreed with amendments this legislative effort hardly made it out of committee. This is not even about fairness in the tax code, which is what she tried to sell the whole thing as. It is what it always is about. Democrats and Republicans alike created a mess for the middle class and look at taxation as the only way to get them out of the very mess they created.

Yes, refinance efforts should be made. Going after more taxation on the wealthy to pay for it does not mean it was the right approach. Warren was wrong then and you are wrong now on what this effort was really about.
 
I want to say no, because to make that kind of partisan blanket statement instinctively feels the same to me as agreeing that "Republicans want to shoot puppies out of canons," which is of course ridiculous. That being said, any time a discussion comes up in which the interests of the rich are pitted against poor or middle class, the theme that conservatives can be relied upon to bring to that thread is blanket support of the rich and big business every...single...time. I have yet to see a such a thread in which Republicans said "You know what? I think the rich can go eff themselves on this particular issue." Instead, the conversation is entirely drowned out by accusations of "class warfare" by page two. So conservatives can say they support the middle class or the poor, but if you look at their rhetoric it forms a very different picture.
 
I have not seen the GOP trying to help the middle class since the tax cuts in the 80's/90's, it seems all they want to do is "balance the budget" by gutting social programs, lower taxes on the wealthy, "preserve marriage", deny human climate change, support big oil, vote down bills proposed to help others due to hatred of the president... the list goes on. (41 Republican Senators Voted Against a Landmark Veterans Bill in February, Today They Blame the VA*|*H. A. Goodman) <<<<<= as one example, I mean, what the hell do the GOP want to do for the middle class?They're certainly not helping, nor trying to, from all I've seen. Just look at their new budget plan! :lamo
 
Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



GOP blocks Warren

They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

The Republocrats in general serve more towards big donors and big corporations than small business and the individual.
 
I have not seen the GOP trying to help the middle class since the tax cuts in the 80's/90's, it seems all they want to do is "balance the budget" by gutting social programs, lower taxes on the wealthy, "preserve marriage", deny human climate change, support big oil, vote down bills proposed to help others due to hatred of the president... the list goes on. (41 Republican Senators Voted Against a Landmark Veterans Bill in February, Today They Blame the VA*|*H. A. Goodman) <<<<<= as one example, I mean, what the hell do the GOP want to do for the middle class?They're certainly not helping, nor trying to, from all I've seen. Just look at their new budget plan! :lamo

FFS, they came down against net neutrality once it was framed as business vs. Federal government, even though net neutrality is objectively good for everyone. They even thoroughly supported cable monopolies in lobbying state legislatures to ban local municipalities from creating their own internet connections. If that doesn't tell you something, nothing will.
 
FFS, they came down against net neutrality once it was framed as business vs. Federal government, even though net neutrality is objectively good for everyone. They even thoroughly supported cable monopolies in lobbying state legislatures to ban local municipalities from creating their own internet connections. If that doesn't tell you something, nothing will.

Ah, another thing to add to the list. Let's not forget the "abortion" stance many of the members take, let's be honest, it seems like many people vote for the republican party moral/religious reasons, not for policy, if they knew about the policy, they'd run like hell.
 
Is this a serious question?
 
Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



GOP blocks Warren

They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

:popcorn2:

Yes.
 
Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



GOP blocks Warren

They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?


Many democrats and republicans are against helping the middle class. They support things like outsourcing that literally ships jobs overseas.They support illegal immigration and amnesty that floods the labor pool which means employers can pay you less money.They support regulations here and there that increase your tax dollars.They spend money like a trophy whore with her husbands no limit credit card which puts future generations in debt.Those are just a few of the things both of the major parties do in order **** the middle class in the ass with no lube.
 
Many democrats and republicans are against helping the middle class. They support things like outsourcing that literally ships jobs overseas.They support illegal immigration and amnesty that floods the labor pool which means employers can pay you less money.They support regulations here and there that increase your tax dollars.They spend money like a trophy whore with her husbands no limit credit card which puts future generations in debt.Those are just a few of the things both of the major parties do in order **** the middle class in the ass with no lube.

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You're absolutely right about this, and it's utterly disgraceful that Democrats in congress talked about supporting industry and labor at home yet voted in favor of "free trade agreements" (like NAFTA) that resulted in industries fleeing the U.S. in droves while keeping their corporate headquarters and bank accounts here. That being said, if we were to have a discussion on this forum in favor of repealing those agreements (or at least the parts that allow American industries to move their labor to other countries), how do you think those battle lines would draw up?
 
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You're absolutely right about this, and it's utterly disgraceful that Democrats in congress talked about supporting industry and labor at home yet voted in favor of "free trade agreements" (like NAFTA) that resulted in industries fleeing the U.S. in droves while keeping their corporate headquarters and bank accounts here. That being said, if we were to have a discussion on this forum in favor of repealing those agreements (or at least the parts that allow American industries to move their labor to other countries), how do you think those battle lines would draw up?

So what should the government do to bar industry from free association. I mean....hiring people overseas.
 
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You're absolutely right about this, and it's utterly disgraceful that Democrats in congress talked about supporting industry and labor at home yet voted in favor of "free trade agreements" (like NAFTA) that resulted in industries fleeing the U.S. in droves while keeping their corporate headquarters and bank accounts here. That being said, if we were to have a discussion on this forum in favor of repealing those agreements (or at least the parts that allow American industries to move their labor to other countries), how do you think those battle lines would draw up?

You do know it was Clinton who signed the China trade deal into law? It would be chamber of commerce republicans and chamber of commerce democrats on one side and severely outnumbered republicans and democrats who oppose "free" trade on the other side. Just because democrats throw a few crumbs here and there to the poor doesn't mean they are on the side of the poor and middle class any more or any less than the republicans are.
 
You do know it was Clinton who signed the China trade deal into law? It would be chamber of commerce republicans and chamber of commerce democrats on one side and severely outnumbered republicans and democrats who oppose "free" trade on the other side. Just because democrats throw a few crumbs here and there to the poor doesn't mean they are on the side of the poor and middle class any more or any less than the republicans are.

I'm kind of curious how you can be for the poor and at the same time for controlling who business can hire. How does that work? If I stop industry from expanding to third world countries is it not true to say I'm stopping poor people from being employed?
 
So what should the government do to bar industry from free association. I mean....hiring people overseas.

They can hire all the people they want overseas.However there should be tariffs in place to put those foreign made goods on equal footing with American companies that at least have to pay at least a minimum wage and adhere to worker and environmental safety laws.
 
You do know it was Clinton who signed the China trade deal into law? It would be chamber of commerce republicans and chamber of commerce democrats on one side and severely outnumbered republicans and democrats who oppose "free" trade on the other side. Just because democrats throw a few crumbs here and there to the poor doesn't mean they are on the side of the poor and middle class any more or any less than the republicans are.

Is there an echo in here? Re-read my post -- I dumped a bathtub-sized amount of blame on the democrats for those agreements. It wasn't what I was asking, though. I was asking how you would expect lines to be drawn on this forum if it was proposed to repeal those agreements.
 
They can hire all the people they want overseas.However there should be tariffs in place to put those foreign made goods on equal footing with American companies that at least have to pay at least a minimum wage and adhere to worker and environmental safety laws.

Why? All that does is imbalance the market and make overpriced markets more desirable then they should be.
 
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