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    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans

    Senate Republicans blocked Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) from bringing up her bill to allow students to refinance their loans.
    GOP blocks Warren

    They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Since the current condition of the economy is the main reason they can't find jobs [to help pay back these loans] ....no
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans

    GOP blocks Warren

    They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
    I disagree that this example alone suggests that Republicans are against the middle class and somehow Democrats are for them. Student loans are a huge problem in this nation, and I would argue that rising higher education costs well north of inflation year on year has more to do with government interference than otherwise. That interference mainly lead by Democrats, and as a result student loan debt is now higher than credit card debt in this nation. We have no choice but to conclude that neither Republicans or Democrats are interested in the middle class, this effort by Warren is nothing more than politics. Does little to address the underline problem of so many obtaining an education and being fiscally punished for it the moment the graduate effecting everything from a first home purchase to marriage and kids. The economic results do not live up to the hype of debt based obtaining of a higher education, and you can thank both parties for the mess. No one gets a pass here, just because of this latest effort by Warren.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
    No, they simply strongly disagree with the Democrats on the methods that best go about helping the middle class, either in the long term or the short term. Undoubtably as well they likely have, in some fashions, different metrics and methods of determining what is "helpful" and what "isn't" in their minds.

    The only way to say the Republicans are against helping the middle class is by judging them based off the Democratic view point on the issue as being the only potential way to view it and absolute/singular objective fact.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



    GOP blocks Warren

    They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
    You might try to be a bit honest when opening a thread, your choice. First you fail to mention that the article linked is SIX MONTHS OLD. You also failed to mention that one senator raised the issue of allowing for amendments, which Warren refused.

    Sad that political discourse has sunk to this level for so many.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



    GOP blocks Warren

    They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
    The best fences for the middle class are restrictions and regulations imposed on industry/corporations. Deregulation went on the fast track beginning with Reagan and the diminishing power of the middle class has followed with it.

    Reagan pushed for deregulation of industries, including banking; he slashed income taxes for the wealthiest Americans in an experiment known as “supply side” economics, which held falsely that cutting rates for the rich would increase revenues and eliminate the federal deficit.

    Over the years, “supply side” would evolve into a secular religion for many on the Right, but Reagan’s budget director David Stockman once blurted out the truth, that it would lead to red ink “as far as the eye could see.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I disagree that this example alone suggests that Republicans are against the middle class and somehow Democrats are for them. Student loans are a huge problem in this nation, and I would argue that rising higher education costs well north of inflation year on year has more to do with government interference than otherwise. That interference mainly lead by Democrats, and as a result student loan debt is now higher than credit card debt in this nation. We have no choice but to conclude that neither Republicans or Democrats are interested in the middle class, this effort by Warren is nothing more than politics. Does little to address the underline problem of so many obtaining an education and being fiscally punished for it the moment the graduate effecting everything from a first home purchase to marriage and kids. The economic results do not live up to the hype of debt based obtaining of a higher education, and you can thank both parties for the mess. No one gets a pass here, just because of this latest effort by Warren.
    First of all you have made a distortion in that you say that the example was meant to suggest that Democrats are for the middle class. So right off the bat you have demonstrated bias. The next thing is that you are wrong when you suggest that the Democrats are mainly responsible for the conditions that have led to student loan debt being higher than credit card debt (if that is indeed true).

    The thing is this, people should be able to refinance student loans to take advantage of lower interest rates. That is something that would provide much needed relief to the middle class. That Republicans oppose this and other such measures that would give the middle class some relief, demonstrates a pattern of behavior that is hostile to middle class interests.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Hack thread disguised as a poll. It is this kind of stuff which keeps me away from the Partisan forum.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    The premise of the OP that anyone is trying to reduce opportunities for anyone is mean spirited in and of itself. And the last 50 some years of the left's so called War on Poverty is proof enough of the wisdom of their well intentioned programs. But they just won't give up and let something that might work replace those policies.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    First of all you have made a distortion in that you say that the example was meant to suggest that Democrats are for the middle class. So right off the bat you have demonstrated bias. The next thing is that you are wrong when you suggest that the Democrats are mainly responsible for the conditions that have led to student loan debt being higher than credit card debt (if that is indeed true).

    The thing is this, people should be able to refinance student loans to take advantage of lower interest rates. That is something that would provide much needed relief to the middle class. That Republicans oppose this and other such measures that would give the middle class some relief, demonstrates a pattern of behavior that is hostile to middle class interests.
    No really, what my argument was about was you cherry picking something that *might* help the middle class as an argument that Democrats care for the middle class and Republicans "demonstrate a pattern of behavior that is hostile to middle class interests" while ignoring all other actions to date from both parties.

    It is extremely naive to suggest Warren's bill was only about student loan refinance, another active part of the discussion was what would pay for the difference. A tax on millionaires in the form of something very close to the so called "Buffet" rule going so far as to include language that suggested how well the taxation efforts ended up would result in continued rate decreases for those that have existing student loans.

    The distortion is this bill was about Warren jumping on the political bandwagon of class warfare and suggesting the middle class would be helped, and we have little evidence that would be the case. Once she disagreed with amendments this legislative effort hardly made it out of committee. This is not even about fairness in the tax code, which is what she tried to sell the whole thing as. It is what it always is about. Democrats and Republicans alike created a mess for the middle class and look at taxation as the only way to get them out of the very mess they created.

    Yes, refinance efforts should be made. Going after more taxation on the wealthy to pay for it does not mean it was the right approach. Warren was wrong then and you are wrong now on what this effort was really about.
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