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Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

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Henrin said:
High prices is not something to resolve with government. When a product becomes overpriced to the point no one can afford it other solutions are needed. You should not fix an unmarketable field with government intervention.
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Yes, you should, I'd like to see your alternative.
 
Dovkan said:
Than maybe the republicans should actually propose something meant to help the middle class, putting aside all of the analogies and what not, let's be real now.
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Your post is irrelevant to the topic. A reason oppose bad policy does not have to be supported by a good policy.
 
Moon said:
That's nice and all, but doesn't answer the question.
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In countries like Germany, professors and those in academics are considered civil servants, you can deduce how they are paid, and I should mention Germany and public and private universities.
 
Henrin said:
High prices is not something to resolve with government. When a product becomes overpriced to the point no one can afford it other solutions are needed. You should not fix an unmarketable field with government intervention.
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In a free market, nothing essential becomes overpriced to the point no one can afford it. It is only when the government steps in and pays for an essential product at whatever cost that the producer prices the product too high for the average person to afford it.

If we want to help the middle class we get government out of the process so that the middle class can keep more of the money they earn. And if government isn't paying for it at highly inflated prices, the providers will find a way to make their products and services affordable to those who need them. Otherwise the providers make no money and there isn't any incentive to provide those products and services at all.

So in that sense, however sincere or insincere the Republicans might be on any given day, they demonstrate that they do care about the middle class when they push for smaller, less expensive government, lowered deficits leading to a balanced budget, and allowing the free market to work.
 
American said:
No alternative is required, wow thought I just said that.
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But the current system is destructive, the only thing viable to alleviate the problem is government intervention.
 
Dovkan said:
In countries like Germany, professors and those in academics are considered civil servants, you can deduce how they are paid, and I should mention Germany and public and private universities.
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So free education isn't really free. Sure took a long time to get that out of you.
 
Dovkan said:
But the current system is destructive, the only thing viable to alleviate the problem is government intervention.
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Spoken like a true socialist, but yet to be proven. :thumbs: And even if that's true, no one is required to vote for what they think is bad policy as an alternative.
 
Moon said:
So free education isn't really free. Sure took a long time to get that out of you.
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It's free for the student's, and nothing is ever really "free" but it can be brought to the point of accessibility for all.
 
American said:
Spoken like a true socialist, but yet to be proven. :thumbs: And even if that's true, no one is required to vote for what they think is bad policy as an alternative.
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I can look to countries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Germany.. there college systems are superior to ours, you show me how ours is better, all I see is raising prices, debt, and destroyed lives.
 
Common pushed things from the republicans such as lowering tax rates, allowing for a school voucher program, reducing regulations on businesses, etc are things that Republicans believe will utlimately have a beneficial impact on the middle class. You disagreeing with that being the case doesn't inherently make it so, nor does it negate the Republicans belief/intent that it will. If you're asking for them to come out and do something specifically "this helps the middle class and only the middle class" then you're likely going to have an issue, because again suggesting such comes from an ignorant and egotistical assumptive stand point that the Republicans must think like some Democrats/Liberals do because that is the only "TRUE" reality. Conservative ideology in general, and republican strategies in general, suggest that the government should not be significantly making it a point to segment off specific segments of the population going "this will help you, this will help you, this will help you", but instead goes off a notion of broad ideas and ideals that are meant to be beneficial to some degree across a wide range of socio-economic groups and also hold that a government limited in it's scope is beneficial to ALL, including the middle class. Simply disagreeing with their belief/intent doesn't make it so, no matter how badly some on the left may be misguided by their own self-indulgent feeling of superiority and absolutism when it comes to their world view.
 
Zyphlin said:
Common pushed things from the republicans such as lowering tax rates, allowing for a school voucher program, reducing regulations on businesses, etc are things that Republicans believe will utlimately have a beneficial impact on the middle class. You disagreeing with that being the case doesn't inherently make it so, nor does it negate the Republicans belief/intent that it will. If you're asking for them to come out and do something specifically "this helps the middle class and only the middle class" then you're likely going to have an issue, because again suggesting such comes from an ignorant and egotistical assumptive stand point that the Republicans must think like some Democrats/Liberals do because that is the only "TRUE" reality. Conservative ideology in general, and republican strategies in general, suggest that the government should not be significantly making it a point to segment off specific segments of the population going "this will help you, this will help you, this will help you", but instead goes off a notion of broad ideas and ideals that are meant to be beneficial to some degree across a wide range of socio-economic groups and also hold that a government limited in it's scope is beneficial to ALL, including the middle class. Simply disagreeing with their belief/intent doesn't make it so, no matter how badly some on the left may be misguided by their own self-indulgent feeling of superiority and absolutism when it comes to their world view.
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Then there is a fundamental disagreement, but we've all seen what happens when businesses get little to no regulation, and I suppose lowering tax rates to support the wealthy benefits everyone with "supply side economics" I don't ascribe to a true reality, I look at what has actually happened and the effects of these things, and I make comparisons to other countries.
 
Dovkan said:
Yes, you should, I'd like to see your alternative.
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And why should the government fix an unmarketable field or deal with price concerns of a product?
 
Henrin said:
And why should the government fix an unmarketable field or deal with price concerns of a product?
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The government has a duty to make sure that citizens have affordable and easy access to education? That seems reasonable to me, might be one of the reasons my friend in Germany laughs at our current system.
 
MildSteel said:
Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



GOP blocks Warren

They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
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Well yes and no. If you look at facts and outcomes, yes, Republicans are against the middle class as well as the impoverished. However some are so stupid that even though the outcomes have virtually never worked as they claim to intend (trickle down economics, low tax rates, more sales, state, and local tax and less federal income tax, etc.), they still cling to the belief that those rightwing ideals do or will work.

So either they hate anyone that can't contribute generously to their campaigns (ie the middle class and impoverished) or they are just plain stupid.
 
Dovkan said:
Do they have a logical reason?
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Haha, trying to put me on the defense. Your side proposed the bill, justify it. You haven't.
 
Dovkan said:
It's free for the student's, and nothing is ever really "free" but it can be brought to the point of accessibility for all.
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Only by making other people pay for it. All you're doing is shifting the burden from the individual that desires to purchase the product to the whole population. Remember when I said your ideology was rooted in slavery and servitude? This is a good example of that.
 
Dovkan said:
The government has a duty to make sure that citizens have affordable and easy access to education? That seems reasonable to me, might be one of the reasons my friend in Germany laughs at our current system.
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You're going off topic it seems, nevertheless, tell me how many German air force bases we have in the US.
 
Dovkan said:
The government has a duty to make sure that citizens have affordable and easy access to education? That seems reasonable to me, might be one of the reasons my friend in Germany laughs at our current system.
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Why? Education is a service that people must obtain for it to be provided. Why should the government assist towards those ends?
 
Redress said:
What makes this thread even sadder is that the opposition from republicans in the example was based on procedure, and not necessarily an unwillingness to consider the bill. I am not a fan of republicans, but for god's sake, let's try and be honest, accurate and make decent points, and not just spew over the top stupid rhetoric.
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What is sad is that so called liberals such as Hillary Clinton, are so pathetic and sorry that their policies are, in practical terms, to the right of people like Richard Nixon. What is even sadder is people who are actually full of malice and hate accuse others of spewing over the top stupid rhetoric.
 
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