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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    these loans these students racked up......

    did they sign those notes voluntarily?

    were they in a language the kids could understand?

    did they have parent overseeing some of the documents, and telling them "yeah, go ahead and sign"

    did the colleges collect all the money....paid to the faculties, and administrators?

    but now, the dems want to change the rules.....

    they want the loans to be refinanced, and they just want rich people to pay for it

    sorry.....no

    if your credit history is good enough, some people can get their loans redone in better terms

    but to just knock down rates for all those loans because now it is hard to pay? sorry.....suck it up kiddies

    life is a bitch....it is hard.....you are no longer living in your parents basement sheltered from the big bad world

    you signed a contract.....be an adult, and live with it......or figure out how to make it better
    College should just be free, or regulated to make sure the prices don't go over the roof like they are now, just look at college prices and the drastic rise.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It's a nice thought, but it's not how sides are drawn up on this forum. In discussions in which the interests of the rich and business are pitted against those of the poor and middle class, the theme of the threads are invariably right vs. left.
    Yep. What has happened to conservatism to make it about catering to the needs of the wealthy?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    they want the loans to be refinanced, and they just want rich people to pay for it
    What in the hell does having a loan refinanced have to do with the rich paying for the loan? That idea is village idiot worthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    if your credit history is good enough, some people can get their loans redone in better terms
    There is no government program that allows people to refinance their student loans at lower rates. Its just not there. Don't even try it.

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    sorry.....suck it up kiddies
    Yep! That's just what I thought. Like I said, Republicans are against the middle class. You don't hear them saying suck it up kiddies to the rich when its time for a tax increase.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    College should just be free, or regulated to make sure the prices don't go over the roof like they are now, just look at college prices and the drastic rise.
    The rate in which costs of higher education have skyrocketed is disgusting.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    College should just be free, or regulated to make sure the prices don't go over the roof like they are now, just look at college prices and the drastic rise.
    Point of fact. Nothing is free. Just who ends of paying for it and how changes.

    What you really are saying here is that everyone owes the young a free college education, and with that, I'd have to disagree.

    Everything becomes perceived as worthless when it's given away for free (or perceived as such). That includes a college education.

    I'd bolster community colleges, make sure their credits transfer to other schools seamlessly, and other schools can't refuse them, as community colleges can, and do, provide quality education opportunities at a better price point than say, the ivy league colleges. The market can do the rest of the heavy lifting on it's own.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yep. What has happened to conservatism to make it about catering to the needs of the wealthy?
    No idea, but the speed at which they'll sacrifice their own self interests for the interests of big business can cause whiplash. It's really uncanny.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    The people who establish GOP policy are most likely believers in the concept of the Talented Tenth - the idea that only about 10% of the population is really worth a damn and is needed to keep everything together. While the term is normally associated with W.E.B. DuBois and African Americans - it applies to those who look at most of the masses as simply fodder for their machine.

    As such, they want to help that upper tenth as much as possible in the belief that if the upper tenth is in good shape - then the rest will fall into place.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, they simply strongly disagree with the Democrats on the methods that best go about helping the middle class, either in the long term or the short term. Undoubtably as well they likely have, in some fashions, different metrics and methods of determining what is "helpful" and what "isn't" in their minds.

    The only way to say the Republicans are against helping the middle class is by judging them based off the Democratic view point on the issue as being the only potential way to view it and absolute/singular objective fact.
    What makes this thread even sadder is that the opposition from republicans in the example was based on procedure, and not necessarily an unwillingness to consider the bill. I am not a fan of republicans, but for god's sake, let's try and be honest, accurate and make decent points, and not just spew over the top stupid rhetoric.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What in the hell does having a loan refinanced have to do with the rich paying for the loan? That idea is village idiot worthy.

    The Bank on Students Emergency Loan Refinancing Act, would allow more than 25 million people to refinance their student loans to today’s lower interest rates of less than 4 percent. Warren paid for the bill with the “Buffet Rule” — a minimum 30 percent income tax payment from people who earn between $1 million and $2 million.

    from the OP.....maybe i am not understanding your side.....but that seems pretty plain and simple to me......refinance the loans, and have the RICH pay for it......now who is the village idiot?



    There is no government program that allows people to refinance their student loans at lower rates. Its just not there. Don't even try it.

    did i say government? there are these things called backs and credit unions all over the country....which is why i said, IF you have good credit



    Yep! That's just what I thought. Like I said, Republicans are against the middle class. You don't hear them saying suck it up kiddies to the rich when its time for a tax increase.
    i am middle class....upper middle.....and i have zero issue with everyone paying their FAIR share......the issue is what i think is fair, and what you think are fair, are two extremely different things
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The people who establish GOP policy are most likely believers in the concept of the Talented Tenth - the idea that only about 10% of the population is really worth a damn and is needed to keep everything together. While the term is normally associated with W.E.B. DuBois and African Americans - it applies to those who look at most of the masses as simply fodder for their machine.

    As such, they want to help that upper tenth as much as possible in the belief that if the upper tenth is in good shape - then the rest will fall into place.
    lets go on the idea you are correct about the GOP, do you really think the DNC is any better?... that they have the interest of the people, the states, and the union at heart, ...no.... they want redistribute of wealth equally among the people, and setting themselves up as the ones to do the redistribution, and tell everyone how much they care about us all, as they continue to accumulated more power over everyone and everything.

    BOTH parties are bad......so criticizing just 1 of them is not being honest.

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