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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Health care costs - inflation increases are now much lower.
    They started reducing off of their peak in 2003/2004, and are still running ahead of inflation.

    What are the factors driving the high cost of education in the US?
    The Government subsidizes school loans, effectively reducing the price at point-of-purchase for students, resulting in massive overinvestment in college education via a non-price-sensitive mechanism. Half of our students who go to college don't graduate, half of those who do graduate don't graduate in 4 years, and half of those who graduate have jobs that don't require college degrees. So college prices skyrocket as they add endless administrative positions and nice amenities rather than scholastics. We are in a bubble. The market mechanism to create downward price pressure get's short-circuited by near-universal student aid, and the colleges react in accordance with their incentives in the face of massive inflows of non-price-sensitive money.

    Incidentally, it's not just conservatives who say this.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Germany uses streaming do they not?
    Also much higher tax rates as well.
    Higher tax rates compared with a higher standard of living, lower cost of living, higher wages, and little debt. Also, Doesn't America have the most expensive education in the world? I say we need higher taxes based on wealth, heck, a system similar to Germany, but that's another point. The college system is utter bull****, and it's screwed my generation. (16)

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Saying you wish for laws that make it easy for companies to set up shop in other countries while saying you wish for companies to stay here is a contradictory statement. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if a company can set up shop in another country and pay those workers next to nothing then that is what is going to happen, they are not going to stay where they have to pay someone more money.This is why slavery happened for a long time, because using your logic that is why slavery stayed around for a long time in most of the world.
    A policy that can isolate you from the world allows you to raise your prices and your wages to a point where they can not compete if those barriers you have set in place are lowered. If the barriers were dropped any pain that comes to the US wouldn't be from those barriers being dropped, but from what the government and the people did while the barrier was up. Furthermore, while companies would look for lower wages elsewhere those wages would be forced up by markets being opened.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A policy that can isolate you from the world allows you to raise your prices and your wages to a point where they can not compete if those barriers you have set in place are lowered. If the barriers were dropped any pain that comes to the US wouldn't be from those barriers being dropped, but from what the government and the people did while the barrier was up. Furthermore, while companies would look for lower wages elsewhere those wages would be forced up by markets being opened.
    You can say that all you want.But it does not change the fact it contradicts your statement of saying you do not wish for manufacturers to leave the US.Plus the fact you admitted to have no use for nationalism or views that serve to hold back the development of third world countries means you do not give two ****s about manufacturing in America.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Republicans are not merely against helping the middle class. The middle class is the main target of Republican policy.
    There is no point in wasting precious resources in having a middle class. Not when the rich can slurp that up.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    I'm not sure, but I know that Republicans are doubling down on catering to a dying breed. No literally they are dying. The demographics of Republicans vs Democrats shows that in the end, most Americans are democrat at heart, but the GOP's strength is trying to get support by means of social conservatism and strong stances on military and foreign policy. I don't particularly understand the Republicans strategy of going further and further right, other than those 2 points. I think the Republicans best bet right now is sadly, Jeb Bush. He seems like if he could erase what his brother did, and do a better job than his father, he can erase 20+ years of republicans being total tools.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    No, they simply strongly disagree with the Democrats on the methods that best go about helping the middle class, either in the long term or the short term. Undoubtably as well they likely have, in some fashions, different metrics and methods of determining what is "helpful" and what "isn't" in their minds.

    The only way to say the Republicans are against helping the middle class is by judging them based off the Democratic view point on the issue as being the only potential way to view it and absolute/singular objective fact.
    To be honest with you I don't care who puts the proposals forward, I think the things I mentioned would help the middle class.

    But lets take the Democrat/Republican out of it, do you and/or Republicans feel that allowing consumers to refinance their student loans is something that would help the middle class? If so, why haven't Republicans pushed for such legislation? If not, then why do you feel that way?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    To be honest with you I don't care who puts the proposals forward, I think the things I mentioned would help the middle class.

    But lets take the Democrat/Republican out of it, do you and/or Republicans feel that allowing consumers to refinance their student loans is something that would help the middle class? If so, why haven't Republicans pushed for such legislation? If not, then why do you feel that way?
    What would help the middle class and all of us is for the government to get the dickens out of the way and let the economy boom.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    No really, what my argument was about was you cherry picking something that *might* help the middle class as an argument that Democrats care for the middle class and Republicans "demonstrate a pattern of behavior that is hostile to middle class interests" while ignoring all other actions to date from both parties.
    It is not cherry picking, allowing consumers to refinance their student loan debt would help the middle class, no doubt about it. Now if you don't agree with that could you please tell us why?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    It is extremely naive to suggest Warren's bill was only about student loan refinance, another active part of the discussion was what would pay for the difference.
    So you are saying that the bill was primarily about paying for student loan refinance. By your cripple logic she should have passed a bill called "Paying For Student Loan Refinance" and then introduced one that only talked about student loan refinance. What an absurd notion you are putting forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    A tax on millionaires in the form of something very close to the so called "Buffet" rule going so far as to include language that suggested how well the taxation efforts ended up would result in continued rate decreases for those that have existing student loans.
    So you think that millionaires cannot be subjected to tax increases? What the hell is the who pays for it crap anyway? The government should not be trying to make money from people who are actually paying back their student loan debt in good faith. That money should be strictly used to pay back their loans and nothing more. It is totally ridiculous that a group of people, namely Republicans, that have not seen a tax DECREASE on the wealthy that they did not like, want to overburden middle class people who are faithfully repaying their student loan debt with interest rates that are excessive.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    The distortion is this bill was about Warren jumping on the political bandwagon of class warfare and suggesting the middle class would be helped, and we have little evidence that would be the case.
    What? Are you really stupid enough to suggest that allowing consumers to refinance their student loans would not help the middle class. Of course she is a politician and is politically motivated, but that does not mean that allowing consumers to refinance their student loans would not help the middle class.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Once she disagreed with amendments this legislative effort hardly made it out of committee.
    Why the hell did Republicans feel the need to put amendments on a bill that would allow consumers, who are faithfully repaying their student loan debt, the opportunity to refinance their student loan debt. They are all eager to give the wealthy tax breaks, and bomb innocent Muslims in the Middle East every chance they get. But when it comes to giving consumers who faithfully repaying their student loan debt the chance to refinance, they become reluctant and find the need to attach amendments before they can consider such a measure. What kind of raggedy ass bull**** is that?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Yes, refinance efforts should be made. Going after more taxation on the wealthy to pay for it does not mean it was the right approach.
    So since refinance efforts should be made, what Republican efforts have been made to get such legislation enacted? What's the matter? It is not important enough for them? To the interests of the middle class matter to them? Do they even give a damn about the middle class? Is all that they can do for the middle class is give tax breaks to the wealthy so that they can trickle it back down? That is merely a weak, bull**** excuse to burden the middle class as much as possible.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I want to say no, because to make that kind of partisan blanket statement instinctively feels the same to me as agreeing that "Republicans want to shoot puppies out of canons," which is of course ridiculous.
    It is not ridiculous. Republicans time and time again shoot down every damn thing that comes up that will actually help the middle class. The only thing that they can seem to put forward is tax breaks that primarily benefit wealthy people. The rest of what they do is designed to burden the middle class, and then tell them its all their fault because they don't work hard enough. They are full of bull****. All they care about is the interests of the wealthy. Its socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

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