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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    For them? Hmmm

    Do you have a source to support that claim?
    Hmmm. Well considering that I have NEVER been offered a paying job by a poor person, and every really good job I've ever had in the private sector was provided by somebody who was pretty rich, and it was having those jobs that helped me move into the middle class, I would say rich Republicans help the middle class as much or more than anybody else does. How do you think it would benefit the middle class if we make it unwise or unprofitable for the wealthy Republicans to offer those jobs? Who do you think would pick up the slack and hire all those people?

    And isn't that enough reason to think it is a good thing that we have some rich people?
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    All good points. I think a lot of what we are facing is because we have become more of a global community these days, and we are on the end of the stick that has billions of people on the other side. Even the poorest among us are considered wealthy by the rest of the world. It appears that a one-world-government is what some envision as a solution, where everyone has the same advantages. This would raise the standard of living for most on the "other side of the stick," but it would certainly lower ours, because we have set the goal posts as the standard since the end of WW2. Why would anyone be surprised that so many want to live like we do, and immigrate here to enjoy the lifestyle we do? The problem as I see it is that many have not had the background to build on that we have had, and continue to have the same type of thinking that they had in the country they left - "our streets are paved with gold, and it's easy to become wealthy here." That's not true, or we would not have 50 million people on food-stamps here. I don't know what the solution is, but our standard of living is being lowered, slowly but surely, and lots of people here don't know how to deal with living from paycheck to paycheck yet. If that's our future, it looks bleak, IMO.
    I don't know who it was, but someone sold Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher on this idea that they could ship manufacturing jobs overseas and create this services based economy. I think you are right, the result is going to be a decline in living standards here until equilibrium is reached with those places to which the jobs have been exported. It used to be the middle class was sustained by a robust manufacturing sector. It's going to be very hard to sustain that class with waiters and burger flippers.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    I don't know how that works.
    IOW, the regulators have to be independent, without any interest in that which they're monitoring.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    What you are asking for is more free handouts. People already retire on liberal handouts.
    Really? Where can I get my liberal handout so that I can retire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Then you want loan forgiveness if a person looses a job. Good one all I have to do it get myself laid off and my debt goes away.
    WOW! What is a good one is the tall tale that you just told. You would be good to go camping with. Everyone could gather round the campfire at night and listen to your tall tales!

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    It would not possible for workers to have a job unless others took risk with their own capital to start a business that they have in some cases their life savings invested.
    It would not be possible for the wealthy to make money if there were not workers to do the work and consumers to buy the products. Remember that. You are a hen philosopher. There was this man who had a hen. So he philosophized that the head was eating and costing him money, but the rear end was making him money because it laid eggs. His philosophy led him to the conclusion that he should cut off the head, but keep the rear end. That is what you are like, a hen philosopher.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    You would create systems that protect labor from business while hurting business by making it almost impossible to fire an employee who doesn't meet standards. This works better if employees seek employment where they are treated better and businesses compete for the best employees. As it is too many employees stay in what I call "trap jobs" that they don't like and will never be good at because the job offers "security."
    Dude, do you want a garment factory with 100 employees working on the fifth floor to have a single exit down a long hallway to a three foot wide stairwell. Are you in favor of health inspectors checking the restaurant kitchen to make sure expired food isn't being served, that the water is hot enough in the dishwasher. I could point you to examples all day, point is, you don't know it, but you do not want to live in a society that does not regulate and monitor business.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    You claim that this "refinance" program "doesn't cost a damn thing". Apparently Warren doesn't agree with you. She proposed to pay for the program by imposing a 30% minimum tax on a certain group of high income earners. Why would we need a new tax to pay for something that will not cost a damn thing? Your original link cites this new tax as the sticky point.
    There is no cost because if a person pays back what they borrowed, they have fulfilled their obligation. For the zillionth time, the purpose of the loans are to facilitate education, not make the government money.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Your thread title concerns Repubs not caring about the middle class. Past your first post, there is little mention of middle class, but instead student loans. Which AFAIK are not wholly a middle class problem, but encompass all income groups.
    Being able to refinance student loan debt at lower interest rates would help the middle class. It is not a problem for the wealthy. For everyone else it would help, including the middle class. It is very simple to understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Now, 400 posts later, it appears that the real problem might be a personal problem, i.e. a loan you don't want to pay back at the initial terms for whatever reason.
    No, the real problem is why you have a need to manufacture this problem of a loan that I don't want to pay back. I have demonstrated why you don't know what you are talking about, but you persist anyway. That is a problem on your part, not mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Again, the government is not stopping you from refinancing your loan, any loan. You refer to home mortages, which can and do get refinanced, but no one is asking the government to step in and reduce the interest rate, or increase the terms.
    And again the government should have a program that allows student loan consumers to refinance their debt at lower rates. The government is making the loans now, as such they can provide a program to refinance them, especially when the interest rates that they charge are more than the rate at which they borrow. Some have more than a six percent spread.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Hmmm. Well considering that I have NEVER been offered a paying job by a poor person, and every really good job I've ever had in the private sector was provided by somebody who was pretty rich, and it was having those jobs that helped me move into the middle class, I would say rich Republicans help the middle class as much or more than anybody else does. How do you think it would benefit the middle class if we make it unwise or unprofitable for the wealthy Republicans to offer those jobs? Who do you think would pick up the slack and hire all those people?

    And isn't that enough reason to think it is a good thing that we have some rich people?
    Well me I have never been offered a job by a rich person. The job offers that I got were from middle class people working for large corporations.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Well me I have never been offered a job by a rich person. The job offers that I got were from middle class people working for large corporations.
    I see. And whose money would it be that provided your pay check? Were they taking your salary out of their salaries? Or did your salary come out of the profits of the owners of those large corporations? In short was it the person working for the corporation that made your job possible. Or was that person acting on behalf of the people who did?
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I see. And whose money would it be that provided your pay check? Were they taking your salary out of their salaries? Or did your salary come out of the profits of the owners of those large corporations? In short was it the person working for the corporation that made your job possible. Or was that person acting on behalf of the people who did?
    And the point that you are missing madame is that somebody has to do the work. There would be no rich people if there were not people to do the work and people to buy the products. Don't tell me you are a hen philosopher too. Tell me it ain't so.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And the point that you are missing madame is that somebody has to do the work. There would be no rich people if there were not people to do the work and people to buy the products. Don't tell me you are a hen philosopher too. Tell me it ain't so.
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