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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    You must think that people in government can be trusted to do the right thing. LOL. What I think is that we all serve our self interest and that people in government have more power to pursue those interests, at our expense, if we choose to give them that power, which you do.
    No. I don't think that anybody can be trusted. Which is why there should be term limits, and non partisan scrutiny. Now there's the rub, but if we could just get Americans to love America first and their party second, that could indeed be repaired. I do however realize that that's a heavy lift.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    You must think that people in government can be trusted to do the right thing..

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, MildSteel.

    If Forbes and Wiki are acceptable sources, here is what they say.

    Walton family - Wal-Mart employs over 2.1 million people.

    Koch Brothers - Koch Industries employ over 50,000 people in the US alone, and employ more union people than Nancy Pelosi.

    Cargill family - Cargill employs over 140,000 people

    Johnson family - Fidelity employs over 140,000 people

    Hearst family - unknown amount employed by this communications giant

    There are probably more, but there's a start.

    In addition, small business owners are the Republicans largest demographic.
    Hi Polgara! Thanks for the list!

    That said, that is quite a list there! No wonder Republicans are against the middle class!

    Take for example Wal Mart. They may employ that many people, but you can beat your bottom dollar not half of them are middle class. In fact they are so hostile to the middle class that they are on record for opposing a even a modest living wage.

    On Tuesday, a Walmart executive rebuked the D.C. Council in an op-ed in the Washington Post, declaring that the company would scuttle plans for three stores if the city enacted a living-wage law targeted at big-box retailers. The bill, which passed a council vote on Wednesday, would require a $12.50 minimum wage for workers at companies with more than $1 billion in global sales.
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    Walmart Living Wage Dispute In D.C. Undermines Company's Murky Pay Claims

    Not only that but they pay so poor that some Walmart workers have to rely on food stamps.

    Anthony Goytia, a Walmart store worker in California who spoke on Capitol Hill Wednesday, said he earns $9.60 per hour after working a year for the company. Given his hours, Goytia said he's on a schedule to earn about $12,000 this year. He said his family relies "off and on" upon food stamps, as well as their state-run health insurance program for the poor, and he's gone so far as to donate blood plasma and volunteer in clinical trials to make ends meet.

    "No one who works at the world's largest private employer should have to rely on food stamps," Goytia said. "I make so little at Walmart I'm forced to get payday loans to pay my rent."
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    Most Walmart Store Workers Didn't Earn $25,000 Last Year

    Dang!! Is that what you call helping the middle class???

    And don't start me on the Koch brothers. Even the very name invokes hostility to workers interests.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    I think Walmart was shamed into a moderate wage increase most recently.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What you just put forward is very stupid and here's why. You are saying that I borrow more than I can afford to pay? Exactly how much have I borrowed? I want to dollar amount. Exactly how much do I make? I want the dollar amount. Furthermore, I am a taxpayer, and I have a right to say that the government should allow people to refinance their student loans.



    No that is not the argument at all. What you have made is another very stupid statement. I said the government should allow people to refinance their student loan debt. That does not mean that the government is preventing them from doing so. It means that the government should have a program that allows people the opportunity to refinance their debt at lower rates. It does not cost the government any money to refinance a loan at a lower rate, except maybe some administrative costs, that could be covered with a fee. The point of the government making student loans is to facilitate people getting an education, not to make money by gouging student loan customers with interest rates that are far in excess than what the government pays to borrow money.
    I can't decide how much is the amount that you are unable or unwilling to pay back. That is between you and your lender. The short answer is one dollar more than the amount your able to pay. The unwilling rests solely on your shoulders. It's your choice whether you choose to eat steak and not pay off your debts, or eat bean tacos and fulfill your obligations. It's also your choice whether you choose to use the loan to pursue a program of study that provides an entry into a high paying field, or into a search for one of the ten low paying jobs available to the thousands who chose that field.

    I don't get your second point. You now admit that the government does not prevent you from refinancing your loan, but now you add the modifier at a lower rate. Then you claim that this costs the government nothing. Getting back 50 cents when you anticipated a dollar costs someone something. Many if not most those loans were borrowings on the open market and guaranteed by the government. Either the bank or the taxpayer gets the shaft.

    I'm a taxpayer too. During my working life a rather large one. I want the government to pursue those who owe them money. Just like the IRS, pursue until the bill is paid, or until you die, than pursue the estate. Why is this obligation any different?
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Hi Polgara! Thanks for the list!

    That said, that is quite a list there! No wonder Republicans are against the middle class!

    Take for example Wal Mart. They may employ that many people, but you can beat your bottom dollar not half of them are middle class. In fact they are so hostile to the middle class that they are on record for opposing a even a modest living wage.



    Walmart Living Wage Dispute In D.C. Undermines Company's Murky Pay Claims

    Not only that but they pay so poor that some Walmart workers have to rely on food stamps.



    Most Walmart Store Workers Didn't Earn $25,000 Last Year

    Dang!! Is that what you call helping the middle class???

    And don't start me on the Koch brothers. Even the very name invokes hostility to workers interests.
    Fair enough. I don't know what any of the people listed pay their employees, but once an employee is hired, they usually do have the opportunity to advance in almost any area. With those entry-level jobs, they did get their foot in the door - after that it's up to them to show an employer they were capable of more responsibility and higher pay, don't they? Most of us who started working at a young age knew we weren't likely to be paid $100,000 dollars a year to start, but it was a start.

    Perhaps I grew up in a different era, but we were told to show up on time, work hard, and get extra schooling if necessary. I doubt if anyone from the companies I listed above, with the possible exception of WalMart, are paid minimum wage, and even there, their store managers earn at least $80,000 a year. Plus, WalMart has no problem with hiring entry-level people...they always have more applicants for jobs than there are openings.

    I did answer your question to the best of my ability, so it's your turn to tell me what Democrats have done for the middle class as far as job opportunities are concerned - and I am excluding jobs in government, since both parties have to follow the rules in that area as far as Civil Service is concerned, as an example. Companies have to be competitive, or they don't stay in business long - government doesn't have that handicap.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



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    They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
    I think the best way to help the "middle class" is to pass laws that benefit all Americans. The idea that there should be policies designed to target specific groups makes me think we now have an official caste system in place.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think Walmart was shamed into a moderate wage increase most recently.
    I doubt it.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

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    I doubt it.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I can't decide how much is the amount that you are unable or unwilling to pay back. That is between you and your lender. The short answer is one dollar more than the amount your able to pay. The unwilling rests solely on your shoulders. It's your choice whether you choose to eat steak and not pay off your debts, or eat bean tacos and fulfill your obligations. It's also your choice whether you choose to use the loan to pursue a program of study that provides an entry into a high paying field, or into a search for one of the ten low paying jobs available to the thousands who chose that field.
    What? You can't decide? Well since you have come here in this forum and accused me of being stupid and borrowing more than I can afford to pay without saying neither how much I make, nor how much I owe, I can damn sure decide. What I decide is that you are engaging in arrogant, right wing Republican condescension, to relieve yourself of some sort of arrogant filth. Since that is the case, here's what you can do. Go and wipe your filthy ass somewhere else, I am not your toilet paper.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I don't get your second point. You now admit that the government does not prevent you from refinancing your loan, but now you add the modifier at a lower rate.
    No you don't get it because your own arrogance has you bewildered. You can't get it because you have this need to put someone whose views that you don't agree with and/or find uncomfortable, down below you so that you can wipe your feet like a door mat. There is no "now admit" nothing. Its just that you don't have enough sense to understand what was put forward or take the time to read the thread to understand what was meant. My position has been consistent all along. The government should have a program to let people refinance their student loan debt. This would allow borrowers, who are paying off their loans in good faith, the opportunity to do so at lower rates.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Then you claim that this costs the government nothing. Getting back 50 cents when you anticipated a dollar costs someone something.
    No it doesn't cost a damn thing and that is the point. The point is that the government should not be trying to make money by gouging student loan consumers. The point of the making the loans is to facilitate education, not make money. As such, it doesn't cost the government a damn thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Many if not most those loans were borrowings on the open market and guaranteed by the government. Either the bank or the taxpayer gets the shaft.
    People refinance home loans and other debt all the time. No one gets the shaft. If that were the case, no one would be able to refinance loans. Again, the purpose of the loans is to facilitate education, not make money.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    I'm a taxpayer too. During my working life a rather large one. I want the government to pursue those who owe them money. Just like the IRS, pursue until the bill is paid, or until you die, than pursue the estate. Why is this obligation any different?
    Well you are not the only one who is a taxpayer. I pay thousands of dollars every year, one year I paid over $20,000 and that is a lot of money to me. As such, hell I get the right to voice my opinion about what I think the government should do.

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