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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Well.. With communism.. Hehe.
    Sure. "From each acording to his own abilities, to each according to his needs"

    The trouble is, under that system, there always tend to be more claimed needs than claimed abilities.

    Ford invented the Ford because he wanted to drive a big fancy automobile. Not because he wanted to tool around in a little plain aitomobile.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Agreed. The reality is that it is the Democrats who are harming the middle class. They do so with their class warfare schemes. When they make a big play of socking it to the rich, they simply hope that most cannot workout that every time they sock it to the rich....the extra cost runs downhill and squarely hits the middle class in a higher cost of goods and services.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Any democrat who wants these chamber of commerce democrats in office.Republicans who would call you a left wing extremist for not supporting so called moderates.
    See?? This is what I'm talking about. It's almost like there's a law that you're not even allowed to discuss income disparity or the middle class or jobs going overseas without the conversation being drowned out by accusations of "communism" or "class warfare" by the forum's conservatives. It's every ****ing thread.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    See?? This is what I'm talking about. It's almost like there's a law that you're not even allowed to discuss income disparity or the middle class or jobs going overseas without the conversation being drowned out by accusations of "communism" or "class warfare" by the forum's conservatives. It's every ****ing thread.
    What, are you new here? "Everything bad is because Democrats" is pretty much SOP on this forum.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What, are you new here? "Everything bad is because Democrats" is pretty much SOP on this forum.
    you spelled internet wrong.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What, are you new here? "Everything bad is because Democrats" is pretty much SOP on this forum.
    This is different than a simple "we'll just blame the libruls for everything" mentality. What I'm talking about is there are actually discussions that certain groups will not permit to take place. Start a thread on anything touching on income disparity and it'll descend into a "class warfare" theme immediately. It's just a fact that conservatives have deemed this topic to be effectively verboten.

    But you know what? I could be wrong. Maybe I'm reading the wrong threads or demonstrating a massive case of confirmation bias. So if there is a thread in which the business/rich interests are pitted against the interests of the poor/middle class and the conservative theme took the side of the latter, point me to it. I'd just like to see what that discussion would even look like, because at this point I've seen the tooth fairy more often than I've seen those discussions.

    Edit: that challenge must be solely about rich/business vs. poor/middle class. It can't be framed around liberal vs. conservative, or Obama. It has to be about rich vs. non-rich only.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Hack thread is very hackish.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Hack thread is very hackish.
    "Simplistic" is as far as I would go. Of course if you ask any conservative if they support the middle class they're going to say yes. But if you told them that supporting the middle class would result in corporations or the rich losing something in the bargain you're going to get a very different reaction.

    It's like if you asked me if I support legal abortion. I'm going to say yes. But if you then add, "Ah, but what if for every abortion that takes place, a bag of live puppies is thrown into an incinerator?" then I'm probably going to change my vote. So yes, conservatives support the middle class, but only after the interests of the rich/corporations have been met and defended first. Find me a thread showing otherwise if you disagree. But like I already said in the post above yours, that challenge must be solely about rich/business vs. poor/middle class. It can't be framed around liberal vs. conservative, or Obama. It has to be about rich vs. non-rich only.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    "Simplistic" is as far as I would go. Of course if you ask any conservative if they support the middle class they're going to say yes. But if you told them that supporting the middle class would result in corporations or the rich losing something in the bargain you're going to get a very different reaction.

    It's like if you asked me if I support legal abortion. I'm going to say yes. But if you then add, "Ah, but what if for every abortion that takes place, a bag of live puppies is thrown into an incinerator?" then I'm probably going to change my vote. So yes, conservatives support the middle class, but only after the interests of the rich/corporations have been met and defended first. Find me a thread showing otherwise if you disagree. But like I already said in the post above yours, that challenge must be solely about rich/business vs. poor/middle class. It can't be framed around liberal vs. conservative, or Obama. It has to be about rich vs. non-rich only.
    I guess we define "support" in different ways. Conservatives support the middle class by lowering taxes, and by fostering an economy in which everyone has an opportunity to rise and succeed.

    Liberals want handouts and goodies for the poor at the expense of the wealthy. Conservatives believe that equality of opportunity is more important, and that rising tides raise all boats.

    That, and there is also a social aspect we haven't touched on. Social conservatives fall in the mainstream on issues such as gay marriage, public religion, affirmative action, immigration policy, and gun rights. Liberals dictate what are seen as elitist views upon the masses from judicial benches and ivory towers - action that one could hardly argue "supports" the middle class.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I guess we define "support" in different ways. Conservatives support the middle class by lowering taxes, and by fostering an economy in which everyone has an opportunity to rise and succeed.
    I disagree with the premise of that as it has proved itself demonstrably false, but that aside, if what you say is true (that you support the middle class, just in different ways), then you would see some semblance of variation from one thread to the next. Except there isn't variation. Rich vs. non-rich, conservative themes favor the rich every time, regardless of the discussion. If it was simply a disagreement on tax policy that would be one thing, but when you see the full weight of the conservative defense of the rich put behind issues such as net neutrality, progressive penalties, the right of employees to protest employer policies, (to name a few off the top of my head), a picture forms that shows the conservative philosophy isn't quite so nuanced.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 03-29-15 at 05:22 PM.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    I'm a little surprised nobody's taken me up on my challenge. It was kind of a ballsy challenge to make in the first place seeing as it can't be too hard to find one thread.

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