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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    It appears you're making an excuse. Maybe its contageous.
    How is he making an excuse?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    I would ask you to explain that a bit further. To me crony capitalism is when a capitalist engages a politician for mutual benefit, ie the capitalist gets favorable treatment in regulation in return for monetary contributions.
    That I won't disagree with. But that's a perversion of the real government roll of regulating capitalism to protect all people's involved. Do you not understand the extent men will go in their pursuit of ever greater profits without some restraining mechanism. Again, we don't have to imagine it. Are you familiar with the plight of the American worker during the advent of the Industrial Age, when there was little or no regulation? Men are not angels. Our constitution and the people's bill of rights is regulation!
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    Is there any possible way to get you to provide an argument that is backed up by data or reason. I know we are of a generation where are politicians have convinced us that if we say things often enough and loud enough they will become true. But I'm a bit old fashioned.
    The War between Capital and Labor

    Because we live in an age in which workers are protected by federal and state laws as well as by sound business practices, it is hard for us to imagine a time when workers—especially unskilled, often immigrant workers—were completely at the mercy of their employers. (The plight of many illegal immigrant workers today may be comparable; however, without legal status, they have little recourse to assistance in case of unfair practices.) As we mentioned above, before the industrial age factories and workplaces were small enough that the owner knew everyone by name and often worked alongside his or her employees. The age of the modern factory and impersonal management changed all that, and the patent unfairness with which workers were treated became scandalous. For example, if a worker was injured on the job by faulty machinery, there was no mechanism for obtaining compensation. If a worker sued, he or she had to prove that it was not his or her own negligence that caused the accident. It is very difficult to prove a negative in such circumstances.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    It appears you're making an excuse. Maybe its contageous.
    Oh no!!! It was not an excuse at all. And since you have put it like that, you are welcome to take up the cause, if you think you can take it.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    If you define capitalism as free markets then you have to accept that it worked for hundreds of years. And it works very well here in black markets.
    You must think that everybody can be trusted to do the right thing, lol. Why do we have contracts, treaties, verification inspections, OSHA. Dude, the pursuit of profits compromises character and ethics, sorry, it is what it is. It blows my mind that you don't see the need for any regulation or restrictions at all.

    Before OSHA, workers health in the work place was constantly compromised. A cabinet shop was a terrible place to work, and lung problems were regular. Business didn't decide to spend the money to address this problem, regulation was put in place requiring a business to install ventilation, vacuum, filtration systems that were quite costly initially, but worker safety, health and productivity increased. Just expand that concept across the board.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I was talking about the states. Regulation and intervention isn't bad, every other country does it.
    yes... if you mean states, because state government is closer to the people and is always better government, easier to root out corruption, and to structure laws which better serve the people of the state and the community, then government 3000 miles away.

    regulations are meant sure rights and to protect the health and safety of the public, and those are the only reasons to have them...regulations are never meant to be used for social engineering of people.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    yes... if you mean states, because state government is closer to the people and is always better government, easier to root out corruption, and to structure laws which better serve the people of the state and the community, then government 3000 miles away.

    regulations are meant sure rights and to protect the health and safety of the public, and those are the only reasons to have them...regulations are never meant to be used for social engineering of people.
    State government isn't always a better government, look at our history and "social engineering" how so?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    State government isn't always a better government, look at our history and "social engineering" how so?
    government which is closer to the people is always better government.

    government is not here to make you the sort of person they desire, government is here to secure rights, that is governments purpose only.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Again, another myth of impression. The unemployment rate amongst college grads is 3%, which is full employment.

    http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/c...ues/ci20-1.pdf

    If you did a little research to validate your impressions before you make posts, you won't look like an ill-informed.....
    They may be employed but,can they pay back their loans?
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    They may be employed but,can they pay back their loans?
    They obviously struggle, the minimum wage can't substantiate debt and cost of living.

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