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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    Regulating capitalism and suggesting it is still capitalism is like staining plastic and calling it wood.
    No, it's not. Too little, or too much will be bad, it takes a good balance. Here's a fine example for you from another thread.


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    Hmmm, what could we do about this?

    It's the same old same old, profits trump safety. One problem is the antiquated cars mostly used that aren't designed for the product, and are prone to rupture when they derail. The corporate worlds nightmare, REGULATION!!!
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, it's not. Too little, or too much will be bad, it takes a good balance. Here's a fine example for you from another thread.


    Originally Posted by American
    Oil trains put US on target for more derailments, warn experts | Fox News

    Hmmm, what could we do about this?

    It's the same old same old, profits trump safety. One problem is the antiquated cars mostly used that aren't designed for the product, and are prone to rupture when they derail. The corporate worlds nightmare, REGULATION!!!
    I'd like to see one instance where unregulated capitalism has worked, they can't provide one.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, it's not. Too little, or too much will be bad, it takes a good balance. Here's a fine example for you from another thread.


    Originally Posted by American
    Oil trains put US on target for more derailments, warn experts | Fox News

    Hmmm, what could we do about this?

    It's the same old same old, profits trump safety. One problem is the antiquated cars mostly used that aren't designed for the product, and are prone to rupture when they derail. The corporate worlds nightmare, REGULATION!!!
    I disagree and have explained why. I understand the concerns for the imperfections of capitalism. But nothing is perfect. I would suggest that Consumer Reports, United Labs, now Angie's List go along way towards helping an informed consumer avoid the pitfalls of capitalism with the addition of simple liability litigation. When you put the government as the arbiter between the consumer and business we have crony capitalism which clearly is not working.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    I disagree and have explained why. I understand the concerns for the imperfections of capitalism. But nothing is perfect. I would suggest that Consumer Reports, United Labs, now Angie's List go along way towards helping an informed consumer avoid the pitfalls of capitalism with the addition of simple liability litigation. When you put the government as the arbiter between the consumer and business we have crony capitalism which clearly is not working.
    Not working? Oh come on, it's working better then unregulated capitalism ever did.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    My friend, seriously? You have this all backwards. Unregulated capitalism allows "crony capitalism"!! Are you familiar with the gilded age through the 1920's, do you know the main reason for the financial crash of 1929, the force behind the New Deal, and the reforms and regulations put in place in the 1930's? Unions, the forty hour work week, social security, etc., etc.. This produced a strong middle class that grew and thrived through the 1970's. This has been reversing since Reagan deregulated the financial industry which was put under heavy regulation during the early depression.
    I would ask you to explain that a bit further. To me crony capitalism is when a capitalist engages a politician for mutual benefit, ie the capitalist gets favorable treatment in regulation in return for monetary contributions.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    Hate speech does not lead to thoughtful discussion.
    The points that I made were thoughtful. Furthermore, on the point in question, he did not note the entire response. As far as I am concerned he was making an excuse.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I'd like to see one instance where unregulated capitalism has worked, they can't provide one.
    If you define capitalism as free markets then you have to accept that it worked for hundreds of years. And it works very well here in black markets.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Not working? Oh come on, it's working better then unregulated capitalism ever did.
    Is there any possible way to get you to provide an argument that is backed up by data or reason. I know we are of a generation where are politicians have convinced us that if we say things often enough and loud enough they will become true. But I'm a bit old fashioned.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The points that I made were thoughtful. Furthermore, on the point in question, he did not note the entire response. As far as I am concerned he was making an excuse.
    It appears you're making an excuse. Maybe its contageous.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    Is there any possible way to get you to provide an argument that is backed up by data or reason. I know we are of a generation where are politicians have convinced us that if we say things often enough and loud enough they will become true. But I'm a bit old fashioned.
    Just look through history before regulations. Hell, capitalism as a whole is a system that inevitably favors a small group of people. I agree with that point about repeating things, but I don't see that happening in regards to this, history shows us what happens, and looking at what capitalism, even when regulated, does.

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