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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
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    You're absolutely right about this, and it's utterly disgraceful that Democrats in congress talked about supporting industry and labor at home yet voted in favor of "free trade agreements" (like NAFTA) that resulted in industries fleeing the U.S. in droves while keeping their corporate headquarters and bank accounts here. That being said, if we were to have a discussion on this forum in favor of repealing those agreements (or at least the parts that allow American industries to move their labor to other countries), how do you think those battle lines would draw up?
    You do know it was Clinton who signed the China trade deal into law? It would be chamber of commerce republicans and chamber of commerce democrats on one side and severely outnumbered republicans and democrats who oppose "free" trade on the other side. Just because democrats throw a few crumbs here and there to the poor doesn't mean they are on the side of the poor and middle class any more or any less than the republicans are.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do know it was Clinton who signed the China trade deal into law? It would be chamber of commerce republicans and chamber of commerce democrats on one side and severely outnumbered republicans and democrats who oppose "free" trade on the other side. Just because democrats throw a few crumbs here and there to the poor doesn't mean they are on the side of the poor and middle class any more or any less than the republicans are.
    I'm kind of curious how you can be for the poor and at the same time for controlling who business can hire. How does that work? If I stop industry from expanding to third world countries is it not true to say I'm stopping poor people from being employed?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what should the government do to bar industry from free association. I mean....hiring people overseas.
    They can hire all the people they want overseas.However there should be tariffs in place to put those foreign made goods on equal footing with American companies that at least have to pay at least a minimum wage and adhere to worker and environmental safety laws.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You do know it was Clinton who signed the China trade deal into law? It would be chamber of commerce republicans and chamber of commerce democrats on one side and severely outnumbered republicans and democrats who oppose "free" trade on the other side. Just because democrats throw a few crumbs here and there to the poor doesn't mean they are on the side of the poor and middle class any more or any less than the republicans are.
    Is there an echo in here? Re-read my post -- I dumped a bathtub-sized amount of blame on the democrats for those agreements. It wasn't what I was asking, though. I was asking how you would expect lines to be drawn on this forum if it was proposed to repeal those agreements.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They can hire all the people they want overseas.However there should be tariffs in place to put those foreign made goods on equal footing with American companies that at least have to pay at least a minimum wage and adhere to worker and environmental safety laws.
    Why? All that does is imbalance the market and make overpriced markets more desirable then they should be.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm kind of curious how you can be for the poor and at the same time for controlling who business can hire. How does that work? If I stop industry from expanding to third world countries is it not true to say I'm stopping poor people from being employed?
    When politicians say they are for the poor and middle class they are not talking about the poor and middle class in other countries.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Is there an echo in here? Re-read my post -- I dumped a bathtub-sized amount of blame on the democrats for those agreements. It wasn't what I was asking, though. I was asking how you would expect lines to be drawn on this forum if it was proposed to repeal those agreements.
    Like I said it would be chamber of Commerce democrats and republicans on one side and on the other side would democrats and republicans who are severely outnumbered by the chamber of commerce democrats and republicans.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why? All that does is imbalance the market and make overpriced markets more desirable then they should be.
    I look at this kind of from a nationalist or patriotic perspective, not someone whose lips are firmly planted on the cocks of businesses. That means I want American citizens to be employed not Chinese,Indian or what ever citizens to be employed. That means I want the taxes from the manufacture of goods to go to our government, not to the Chinese, Indian or what ever government who would use those tax dollars to strengthen their military that could later be used against out country. I want goods to be made here instead of other countries.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I look at this kind of from a nationalist or patriotic perspective, not someone whose lips are firmly planted on the cocks of businesses. That means I want American citizens to be employed not Chinese,Indian or what ever citizens to be employed. That means I want the taxes from the manufacture of goods to go to our government, not to the Chinese, Indian or what ever government who would use those tax dollars to strengthen their military that could later be used against out country. I want goods to be made here instead of other countries.
    I have no use for nationalism or views that serve to hold back the development of third world countries. Protectionism might serve to boost markets for those areas they are designed to protect, but they harm everyone else in the process and further enable harmful policy by enabling uncompetitive markets to strive. I have no use for protectionism that causes declining prosperity and well being in the long run. It's a stupid policy that only serves to hurt people.
    Last edited by Henrin; 03-24-15 at 02:36 PM.

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