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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : .. "In the latest breaking news, an anonymous spokesman for the back roomers confirmed that eliminating the middle class, who pay most of the taxes, is the best thing that could be done to get this Country back on the right track... Stay tuned for further developments on the absurd notion that working at a job is necessary for self esteem, and might be a good way to improve their lives...Speaking off the cuff here, I agree with those who find that laughable nonsense...."
    Most republicans are middle class, so you have to wonder what sort of lunacy it is that would cause people to believe that they want to screw themselves. I'm actually not sure many actually believe it. It's just that they can't think of a more clever way to convince dumbasses that don't know any better that "republicans are evil and hate you so you should vote for democrats". That sort of strategy wouldn't work if the democrats didn't target the dumbest 50 percent of the population with their empty promises, dishonest arguments and outright lies, but it works just fine for their target audience.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    They should lower the interest rates unless the interest rates are necessary to cover the cost of the program to the taxpayer. Or they should disband the program and let the private sector do it.
    They should definitely lower the interest rate.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



    GOP blocks Warren

    They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
    Directly, yes. Indirectly, no.

    Direct aid/assistance is a "No-No" for most Republicans assuming such aid/assistance would come at the government's expense. The guiding philosophy here is "you knew the risk, now settle the matter on your own." And that applies to just about everything from home mortgages, job loss (unemployment compensation), health care coverage, student loan debt...you name it and if the fed has to (or is encouraged to) help "you" financially to get out of or through a given situation, you can all but forget about it.

    Of course, there's another face to conservatism and that's charitable given through non-profit donations or philanthropy. Problem with both is not all charity reaches those in need and not all philanthropist efforts pan out. And so we're often times left with people who don't get reached. Not everyone hears about the non-profit organization that holds a food or clothing drive and even if they did, are the donations being handed out in your neighborhood? Or do you have to travel 50 miles away to get to it? And while philanthropy is suppose to be a means towards job creation, most Republicans would rather provide tax cuts, deductions or credits as incentives for job growth.

    While I can agree with the above as solutions for everyday problems, I can't get behind such an attitude in times of crisis. When the greater society needs help, the only entity that can reach the largest amount of people in the shortest amount of time is government. It may not do everything well, but government should always be their when the country (or segments thereof) are in urgent need.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Most republicans are middle class, so you have to wonder what sort of lunacy it is that would cause people to believe that they want to screw themselves.
    That is a good question. The answer might be similar to the reason why Democrats supported Bill Clinton, despite the fact that he supported outsourcing jobs overseas. People do things that don't make sense.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Humans can handle capitalism. But because men aren't angels, it must have restrictions and regulation, otherwise it naturally becomes predatory. And it's the restriction and regulation that the pro corporate GOP opposes.
    I don't know about all that. The thing is this, capitalism will not work out well if markets are not free. The problem with government restriction and regulation is that it introduces a player into the market that makes it difficult for players to predict. As an example, consider the financial crisis of 2008. If you were a player and you were looking at market conditions at that time, without government interference certain institutions would have certainly failed. Now let's suppose you were looking at that, and anticipating the failure of an institution you heavily invested your money in its competitor. However, all of the sudden the government steps in, and saves the institution because the Treasury Secretary used to be the CEO there. It then turns out that the one you invested in becomes the one that fails. That's one problem. The next thing, closely related is that you have to be able to trust the government to interfere and regulate fairly. But government is controlled by politicians, who in turn are controlled by money. So people and corporations with large amounts of money will use the system to their advantage and to the disadvantage of others.

    Over and above all that, even if you did a halfway decent job of regulating it, capitalism by its intrinsic nature produces distortions in wealth distributions that lead to the wealthy getting more wealth and more power, at the expense of those who are not. Unless they use that power wisely, which they will not because of greed, there will be all kinds of problems.

    Therefore, I don't know sometimes, although I hate to come to that conclusion, perhaps a socialist model is better for human society. Just speculating.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    I can see how you would believe that, what with all of your flamingly biased rhetoric aimed at Republicans. But think about this - had Sen. Warren really wanted interest relief for students, she wouldn't have hitched that horse to the "double the taxes on the wealthy" wagon. It would have been it's own standalone provision. Interest makes the government money, but it doesn't cost the government anything to lower the rate. Wouldn't it be a better idea to divorce the two - student loans and income generation - from each other within the government?
    Actually I agree with you that income generation should be divorced from student loans. That is a good point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Her offer wasn't a real offer, nor more than if I offer to cut your grass for you one time, so long as you paint my house and repave my driveway first.
    It was an offer. The thing is this, since it is a good idea, why haven't the Republicans put forward a measure to do such? They are in control now. They are not going to do it. That simple is not in their chemistry. They have a hostility towards the middle class. They are eager to put forward and pass legislation that allows creditors to garnish people's wages, but they can't find it in themselves to put forward a proposal to let student loan customers refinance their debt. That demonstrates a level of hostility towards the middle class.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    No. Republicans are for helping those who NEED help and ONLY those who need help. The fact is for things such as the free college education nothing is free somewhere we PAY for that.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Uh, Iraq is over. Perhaps you haven't heard.
    Oh no!!!! Iraq is not over by a long shot. Perhaps you haven't heard of ISIS.

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    And I don't see that money magically appearing anywhere else with the stroke of a pen.
    Oh it happens all the time. And actually they don't need a pen, its done with the keystroke of a computer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Not only was the cost of the war a very sore point for many Republicans
    If it was such a sore point for Republicans why where they leading the damn charge. Dick Cheney, a Republican, led the effort to push the U.S. into a wild goose chase for WMDs in Iraq. If Republicans didn't want the damn war to begin with, why did they nominate Bush again?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by dogs4thewin View Post
    No. Republicans are for helping those who NEED help and ONLY those who need help. The fact is for things such as the free college education nothing is free somewhere we PAY for that.
    It's like liberals never heard of the proverb: give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Liberals keep wanting to give people fish. Conservatives are trying to teach people to fish. Liberals don't like that.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    The average length of unemployment increases commensurate to an increase in UI benefits. There is also a pronounced spike in rehiring of UI benefit claimants upon the termination of their benefits, i.e. their job search suddenly becomes more fruitful when benefits are about to expire.
    What you really trying to say is that terminating unemployment insurance causes people to become employed. And that is a bunch of bull****. That is just like me saying that there is a study that shows black males have larger penis sizes than whites. Therefore my penis is bigger than yours.

    Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University carried out the research, which is published in the scientific journal Personality and Individual Differences.
    113 nationalities were included in a study of average penis lengths.
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    In the penis size league tables the Daily Mail reports that men from The Republic of the Congo take top position with a porn star like 7.1 inches, with the Ecuadorians, Ghanaians and Columbians not far behind with 7 inches, 6.8 inches and 6.7 inches respectively.
    The average for the African continent as a whole is a whopping 6.3 inches.
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    The Icelanders come top of the Europeans with 6.5 inches.
    The Germans are Mr European average with 5.7 inches.
    The Brits come out above the French, beating the more traditional country of love and romance, by a full 0.2 inches.
    The Brits also beat the Australians (5.2in), Americans (5.1in) and Irish (5in).
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    At the other end of the table, North and South Korea measure in at 3.8 inches. India and Thailand are only slightly bigger at 4 inches.
    The overall average for north-east Asians was the lowest at 4.2 inches.
    Average penis size study results confirm racial stereotypes

    Having said that, I don't dispute that terminating unemployment insurance might make someone more desperate to find a job. Therefore a displaced aerospace engineer might accept a job a Burger King if that is all he can find. But even that might not be available. So, the point is this, having a suitable job causes people to get off of unemployment insurance. Not only that, what they pay is ridiculous. I know I could not meet my expenses with the maximum of what they pay. Perhaps some could and maybe as a result they will milk it out, but I know I could not.

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