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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Ok, what regulation do you have a problem with?
    As just a quick example of what I'm talking about, the Uber controversy in New York shows the protectionist, corrupt nature of some regulations and how they hurt the citizens they purport to help. Fewer taxis at a higher rate, owned by massive medallion holding companies does literally the opposite of "regulating" the transportation for hire business in most cities while protecting the rich from competition.

    I also have several beefs with major pieces of union regulation in this same vein.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Do you honestly believe the government to give you honest figures about who is actually out of work?

    But I get bored with one-liner insults and assigned talking points really quickly so I'll be moving on. I am pretty sure I can back up my numbers. Do have a nice day.
    I will trust the bureau of labor statistics, much like you probably trust our military, even if the figures aren't honest, do you think they'd get away with a number half the size of what you propose? Give me one study stating 17 million are unemployed, able bodied people instead of bailing out when you can't argue with the official BLS numbers.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



    GOP blocks Warren

    They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?


    Of course they are!


    I happen to know that Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and Sarah Palin meet regularly to find new ways to screw the middle class, eliminate it all together.

    and that's just the people we're watching! The back roomers have serious plans involving drones and oil pipelines, jobs only for rich people
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    As just a quick example of what I'm talking about, the Uber controversy in New York shows the protectionist, corrupt nature of some regulations and how they hurt the citizens they purport to help. Fewer taxis at a higher rate, owned by massive medallion holding companies does literally the opposite of "regulating" the transportation for hire business in most cities while protecting the rich from competition.

    I also have several beefs with major pieces of union regulation in this same vein.
    I'm not ok with some regulations, and am all for a competitive free market in many things, apart from healthcare and some other aspects. I agree that is bad, but the regulation we have appears to be working, net neutrality is a good example on one thing, not allowing massive monopolies, although that could use more work..

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Of course they are!


    I happen to know that Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and Sarah Palin meet regularly to find new ways to screw the middle class, eliminate it all together.

    and that's just the people we're watching! The back roomers have serious plans involving drones and oil pipelines, jobs only for rich people
    That wouldn't surprise me.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    You're saying unregulated capitalism results in a majority of the population being part of the powerful elite?
    No, I'm saying that regulation protects the average American from the powerful elite. In the absence of regulation, the powerful elite, represented by the wolves, has the sheep, the working class Americans, thinking that they're in on the dinner menu decision.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



    GOP blocks Warren

    They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
    The only thing that helps the middle class is full employment. Government can help with creating employment by removing obstacles to to entrepreneurism, a tax structure which allows people to invest in themselves or their businesses and generally getting out of the way. Full employment encourages rising wages because it creates a buyers market for jobs. High unemployment creates a buyers market for employees.

    Elizabeth Warrens bill to help refinance student loans has nothing to do with helping the middle class.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Of course they are!


    I happen to know that Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and Sarah Palin meet regularly to find new ways to screw the middle class, eliminate it all together.

    and that's just the people we're watching! The back roomers have serious plans involving drones and oil pipelines, jobs only for rich people
    : .. "In the latest breaking news, an anonymous spokesman for the back roomers confirmed that eliminating the middle class, who pay most of the taxes, is the best thing that could be done to get this Country back on the right track... Stay tuned for further developments on the absurd notion that working at a job is necessary for self esteem, and might be a good way to improve their lives...Speaking off the cuff here, I agree with those who find that laughable nonsense...."

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    First of all you have made a distortion in that you say that the example was meant to suggest that Democrats are for the middle class. So right off the bat you have demonstrated bias. The next thing is that you are wrong when you suggest that the Democrats are mainly responsible for the conditions that have led to student loan debt being higher than credit card debt (if that is indeed true).

    The thing is this, people should be able to refinance student loans to take advantage of lower interest rates. That is something that would provide much needed relief to the middle class. That Republicans oppose this and other such measures that would give the middle class some relief, demonstrates a pattern of behavior that is hostile to middle class interests.
    Me being able to refinance by student loans really doesn't help if I can't find a job that isn't part-time or near minimum wage. So I would say that refinancing is a part of helping people, but far, far from the full package. As a recent college grad who is unable to find employment, the best thing that could be done is job creation.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : .. "In the latest breaking news, an anonymous spokesman for the back roomers confirmed that eliminating the middle class, who pay most of the taxes, is the best thing that could be done to get this Country back on the right track... Stay tuned for further developments on the absurd notion that working at a job is necessary for self esteem, and might be a good way to improve their lives...Speaking off the cuff here, I agree with those who find that laughable nonsense...."


    Now that they have been outed, I suspect there will be a change of plans, the meetings will become more secret, especially after they take back the White House under a Palin/Bush ticket.
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