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    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    While I agree that elected, appointed, and hired members of both parties are far more interested in their own prestige, power, influence, and personal wealth than they care about any of us, and pretty much everything they do is in their own self interests, I disagree that the Republicans are hostile to middle class interests. At least they represent the middle class and do try to throw it a bone now and then while the Democrats depend on special interests--minorities, the 'poor', the unions, the protected groups, the activist groups etc.--to keep them in power. And everything the Democrats do, and some of what the Republicans do, to benefit their constituency is another blow to the gut for those in the middle class.

    The national debt clock passed 18 trillion in December and continues to grow by hundreds of millions every single day. THAT is the most damning thing happening to the middle class. And the party pushing for more and more spending is not the Republicans.
    The national debt has been exponentially increasing for decades... Also, what "bones" are they throwing, and democrats are helping more, whether you want to deny it or not. What do you think republicans want to cut? You think they want to Lower taxes on the middle and lower classes? Help disabled workers?
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    You're saying unregulated capitalism results in a majority of the population being part of the powerful elite?
    When did he state that? Unregulated capitalism results in a tiny group holding almost all of the wealth while the others struggle.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    When did he state that? Unregulated capitalism results in a tiny group holding almost all of the wealth while the others struggle.
    Wolves represent the powerful, don't they? And in the allegorical scenario (originally constructed as a poke at unlimited democracy) there are more of the powerful wolves than the weak sheep.

    I suppose if you wanted to craft an anti-capitalistic metaphor, it would have to involve two wolves voting on how to divide up the millions upon millions of sheep between themselves. You know, if you wanted to take the straw man approach to capitalism, that is.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    The national debt has been exponentially increasing for decades... Also, what "bones" are they throwing, and democrats are helping more, whether you want to deny it or not. What do you think republicans want to cut? You think they want to Lower taxes on the middle and lower classes? Help disabled workers?
    I think if the middle class had enough votes to make a difference, we would have a balanced budget, we would be paying down the debt instead of increasing it by hundreds of millions every single day, there wouldn't be 17+ million able bodied Americans out of the labor force, there would be far fewer part time jobs and more good jobs for those who want there, and Americans would be in charge of their own lives again instead of being micromanaged by a huge, bloated, government that doesn't manage things very well while it continues to absorb more and more of the nation's resources.

    And again it is the Republicans who mostly represent that middle class. There just aren't enough of the middle class left to overcome the demand for more and more and more from those the Democrats represent.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Wolves represent the powerful, don't they? And in the allegorical scenario (originally constructed as a poke at unlimited democracy) there are more of the powerful wolves than the weak sheep.

    I suppose if you wanted to craft an anti-capitalistic metaphor, it would have to involve two wolves voting on how to divide up the millions upon millions of sheep between themselves. You know, if you wanted to take the straw man approach to capitalism, that is.
    Capitalism as it stands right now follows what I just stated, and continues to go that way, regulation helps to stem that. I fundamentally disagree with capitalism, but it is not realistic to implement an alternative as of now, so I support regulation.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    When did he state that? Unregulated capitalism results in a tiny group holding almost all of the wealth while the others struggle.
    What would give you that impression?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I think if the middle class had enough votes to make a difference, we would have a balanced budget, we would be paying down the debt instead of increasing it by hundreds of millions every single day, there wouldn't be 17+ million able bodied Americans out of the labor force, there would be far fewer part time jobs and more good jobs for those who want there, and Americans would be in charge of their own lives again instead of being micromanaged by a huge, bloated, government that doesn't manage things very well while it continues to absorb more and more of the nation's resources.

    And again it is the Republicans who mostly represent that middle class. There just aren't enough of the middle class left to overcome the demand for more and more and more from those the Democrats represent.
    Voter turnout is poor, if they want to make a difference, they all need to vote, I certainly do. Yes, good luck balancing the budget by gutting almost every social program, we have a debt based country now, it's not going away realistically, and saying middle class voters would someone change all of this is hilarious. 17+ million able bodied Americans out of the work force, where did you get this from? Does it include disability? Teenagers? Ah, private businesses control if jobs are part time or not, not the government, more good jobs? Jobs are there, they just don't pay a livable wage, if you want to get more americans working and stop the minority on social programs from "leeching" maybe paying them a livable wage is a start like it used to be. Republicans don't represent the middle class on what they're doing, maybe voters think they do, but that's their problem.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Capitalism as it stands right now follows what I just stated, and continues to go that way, regulation helps to stem that. I fundamentally disagree with capitalism, but it is not realistic to implement an alternative as of now, so I support regulation.
    I follow a Hayek-Mises-Friedman inspired libertarian bent toward economics, but I still believe in regulation.

    The type and amount of regulation, however, is what I sometimes have a problem with. The purpose of any proposed regulation should be scrutinized under a microscope, and any sense of "moral purpose" should be kept out that does not directly deal with safety and overall system stability.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What would give you that impression?

    Come on, any capitalist society has the small percent with the most wealth gain more and more while those below don't benefit without some sort of regulation.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Voter turnout is poor, if they want to make a difference, they all need to vote, I certainly do. Yes, good luck balancing the budget by gutting almost every social program, we have a debt based country now, it's not going away realistically, and saying middle class voters would someone change all of this is hilarious. 17+ million able bodied Americans out of the work force, where did you get this from? Does it include disability? Teenagers? Ah, private businesses control if jobs are part time or not, not the government, more good jobs? Jobs are there, they just don't pay a livable wage, if you want to get more americans working and stop the minority on social programs from "leeching" maybe paying them a livable wage is a start like it used to be. Republicans don't represent the middle class on what they're doing, maybe voters think they do, but that's their problem.
    The 17+ million is the actual unemployment number--able bodied people who would be in the workforce if they could find jobs. The number is out there and it doesn't take a lot of research skills to find a lot of confirmation of that number and a lot of discussions about it.

    And if the Republicans don't represent the middle class then nobody does because the Democrats have been doing their damndest to destroy it and make everybody dependent on government for a very long time now.

    Just look at your posts. Every one suggests the Republicans 'hate the middle class' because they don't want to spend more and more money that we don't have--money that same middle class has to pay and will be saddled with debt for unto generations to come. That 18+ trillion dollar debt represents about $56,000+ for every man, woman, and child in American--over $160,000 per household. How much in taxes does it take to just pay the interest on that debt do you think? How long can any nation sustain such a debt?

    Stopping unnecessary government spending and allowing the middle class to profit more from what they earn is the best and only way to realistically help the middle class. I'm not seeing any Democrats suggesting that.
    Last edited by AlbqOwl; 03-26-15 at 12:32 PM.
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