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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so you want them to have free money?
    Please see this post

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064463125

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    It takes some real guts to finally admit this.
    I don't know man. Sometimes I think you guys are right. Maybe human greed makes it such that humans can't handle capitalism. People with money will just use that power to misuse the lower classes.

    What a shame.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I don't know man. Sometimes I think you guys are right. Maybe human greed makes it such that humans can't handle capitalism. People with money will just use that power to misuse the lower classes.

    What a shame.
    Humans can handle capitalism. But because men aren't angels, it must have restrictions and regulation, otherwise it naturally becomes predatory. And it's the restriction and regulation that the pro corporate GOP opposes.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Humans can handle capitalism. But because men aren't angels, it must have restrictions and regulation, otherwise it naturally becomes predatory. And it's the restriction and regulation that the pro corporate GOP opposes.
    I absolutely agree, Im all for democratic socialism, although if the current system must stand, it needs what you've said.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I absolutely agree, Im all for democratic socialism, although if the current system must stand, it needs what you've said.
    As the saying goes, democratic socialism is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    As the saying goes, democratic socialism is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
    That's actually the description of unregulated capitalism.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What? You want to burden student loan consumers, but you don't want the wealthy to be encumbered? What kind of **** is that? Sounds like just what I said, Republicans are against the middle class and for the wealthy.
    I can see how you would believe that, what with all of your flamingly biased rhetoric aimed at Republicans. But think about this - had Sen. Warren really wanted interest relief for students, she wouldn't have hitched that horse to the "double the taxes on the wealthy" wagon. It would have been it's own standalone provision. Interest makes the government money, but it doesn't cost the government anything to lower the rate. Wouldn't it be a better idea to divorce the two - student loans and income generation - from each other within the government?

    Her offer wasn't a real offer, nor more than if I offer to cut your grass for you one time, so long as you paint my house and repave my driveway first.

    What in the hell do you mean paid for with what? Paid for with the same damn money that has been spent towards the Republican rat hole that is Iraq.
    Uh, Iraq is over. Perhaps you haven't heard. And I don't see that money magically appearing anywhere else with the stroke of a pen. It's already eaten up by other programs. Not only was the cost of the war a very sore point for many Republicans (and especially those libertarians who trend Republican during elections), but I didn't hear Democrats complaining about it at the time, either, nor for the first few years of solid Democrat rule when there wasn't even a budget.

    The university system in the US is dependent upon four year attendance; the community college system supplements the universities by way of filling in capacity for the traditional underclassmen who don't return to the third and fourth year of their educations. If you were to remove first and second year students from universities, you would instantaneously overpopulate the community college system (dramatically driving up costs, paid for now with taxes) and cause massive unemployment and cost overruns at public universities.

    Sounds great. I bet the middle class would just LOVE a higher tax bill coupled to rampant unemployment in small university towns.

    Study after study my ass.
    EconPapers: Unemployment insurance and the distribution of unemployment spells
    The Impact of the Potential Duration of Unemployment Benefits on the Duration of Unemployment
    http://people.virginia.edu/~sns5r/cl...1stf/meyer.pdf
    http://www.nber.org/feldstein/aeajan8.pdf

    The average length of unemployment increases commensurate to an increase in UI benefits. There is also a pronounced spike in rehiring of UI benefit claimants upon the termination of their benefits, i.e. their job search suddenly becomes more fruitful when benefits are about to expire.

    Imagine that.

    The only thing that you have done is posted a bunch of stupid nonsense that demonstrates a profound inability to see what is actually happening. Republicans are screwing the middle class and are merely using them to create more wealth for the rich. If you can't see that you are blind.
    Your ad hominem style of argument doesn't actually address the issues. I am not surprised.

    Yes it would be nice if they did come up with some plans of their own. Why can't they? Because they have a hostility towards the middle class and want to use them to create more wealth for the wealthy. There isn't a damn thing bad about letting student loan customers refinance their loans. It's bad if you are a Republican that hates the middle class.
    You are confusing the reluctance to adopt bad ideas with hostility for the class the ideas are allegedly trying to help.

    If you can get over this whole us-vs-them mentality and actually examine what people are saying, perhaps you wouldn't come across like one of the bleating sheep Republicans and Democrats so love complaining about.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    As the saying goes, democratic socialism is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.
    Really now? Sounds like unregulated capitalism and the glorious "free market" I'll just look at countries adhering to systems of democratic socialism and there booming economies, less debt, jobs, wages, healthcare, QOL.:

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No, and here's why

    1. Republicans are on record for opposing letting student loan consumers refinance their debt
    2. Republicans are against Obama's free community college proposal
    3. Republicans were against extending unemployment benefits to workers struggling from the effects of the recession

    Here, Republicans have said no, no, no to things that would help the middle class.

    Now one might wonder with all that negativity what are for. Well here is what they are for

    1. Republicans championed letting creditors and big banks garnish wages.

    So they have been against things to help the middle class, and all they can be for is garnishing wages by big banks. It is quite a pattern. And it is a pattern that strongly suggests that Republicans are hostile to middle class interests.
    While I agree that elected, appointed, and hired members of both parties are far more interested in their own prestige, power, influence, and personal wealth than they care about any of us, and pretty much everything they do is in their own self interests, I disagree that the Republicans are hostile to middle class interests. At least they represent the middle class and do try to throw it a bone now and then while the Democrats depend on special interests--minorities, the 'poor', the unions, the protected groups, the activist groups, those who make their living in government, etc.--to keep them in power. And everything the Democrats do, and some of what the Republicans do, to benefit their constituency is another blow to the gut for those in the middle class.

    The national debt clock passed 18 trillion in December and continues to grow by hundreds of millions every single day. THAT is the most damning thing happening to the middle class. And the party pushing for more and more spending is not the Republicans.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's actually the description of unregulated capitalism.
    You're saying unregulated capitalism results in a majority of the population being part of the powerful elite?
    "Political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. . . . Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness."
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