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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Your statements make no sense. The Warren "refinance" bill would have been paid for by increasing taxes on the rich. How is that not having the rich pay for it?
    No your statement makes no sense because the point is that borrowers should be paying for their loans, not profiting the government billions of dollars.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    i am middle class....upper middle.....and i have zero issue with everyone paying their FAIR share......the issue is what i think is fair, and what you think are fair, are two extremely different things
    Your concept of fair is the government profiting billions of dollars from student loan consumers. That is not fair, that is gouging.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The school lunch program is another federal boondoggle.
    What is wrong with it? In my area, poor children get free lunch or reduced lunch.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by mildsteel View Post
    your concept of fair is the government profiting billions of dollars from student loan consumers. That is not fair, that is gouging.
    booooom.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I always enjoy analogies....

    I'd say everyone would agree in a GENERAL sense, it's beneficial for children to get good grades.

    However, let's say you have two teachers.

    Teach A offers their students 10 points of extra credit after every test. Teach B doesn't.

    Can we say Teacher B "against" helping kids get good grades based simply on the fact he doesn't provide extra credit?

    No, that's a ridiculous stance to take. What's more likely is that Teacher B feels that a large amount of extra credit may cause children to actually NOT attempt to study as hard because they have that extra buffer, or believe that inflated grades due to extra credit may give the child a false belief of understanding on a subject beyond what they actually have, or that they feel it's better for a child to be faced with the reality of a bad grade if they don't study well as they feel ultimately it will motivate the child to do better in the future. Or, simply put, he feels while helping kids get good grades IS important, that there are OTHER important things as well when it comes children that outweigh the benefit of giving extra credit. Or hell, perhaps he just thinks the very concept of "extra credit" is against the code of conduct for the school and so he refrains from allowing for such.

    So many questions like those of the OP are so reliant on the world functioning in this binary fashion, on top of each situation or issue existing in some kind of strange vacuum, all combined with this self-important belief that one's worldview is inherently superior and more "true" than anyone elses.

    By and large Republicans care about the middle class. How much they weigh focusing on help of the middle class with their views on the role of government, or how said help may negatively effect other segments of the population, or may negatively effect the country as a whole in the short or long term, may differ from Democrats. Additionally, what TYPES of "help" is viewed as more important or more beneficial may differ. As would the METHODS in which they feel help should be given. But it's ridiculous, imho, to suggest either party by and large simply are against helping any particular segment of the population in some form as a matter of principle. Both sides generally believe their views and methods will ultimately help the majority of people in this country across the spectrum of race, gender, age, class, etc and that's why they push so hard for their ideas to occur. The other side may disagree that the ultimate result actually DOES help any of those things, but that's a matter of perspective and opinion regarding how one judges the matter as opposed to some kind of objective fact like the OP seems so desperately to establish.
    The question is this, will doing something as simple as allowing student loan consumers to refinance their debt help the middle class. The answer is yes it would. Republicans can give all this damn lip service to their policies all they want, but time and time again they shoot down initiatives such as this. But they are all for allowing creditors to do things like garnish wages. They don't seem to be able to offer anything but tax cuts for the wealthy and say that will help the middle class. That crap is a bunch of garbage. Such policies have gutted the middle class in this country and has resulted in the absurd distortions in income and wealth distribution that we observe today. That bullcrap trickle down, where government policy is designed to give more wealth to the wealthy so that they will trickle it down started full strength with Ronald Regan and has proceeded on with every administration since, including Democratic ones. At least the Democrats will take a stab at doing something such as allowing student loan consumers to do something as reasonable as refinancing their debt. But Republicans will step in and shoot it down. Then when Obama purposes free community college, they shoot that down. Then they shoot down and extension for unemployment benefits to people still suffering from the effects of the recession. After a while, you have to say, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. Republicans, by their actions, have demonstrated a hostility towards the middle class.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Depends on if Obama is for it or not. If Obama is for it, Republicans are against it. That's been their whole raison d'etre since 2009.

    In the end, I don't really think either major party has much interest in the middle class. Bunch of corporate whores on both sides.


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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    What is wrong with it? In my area, poor children get free lunch or reduced lunch.
    There's a lot more to that program than lunches. You should read up.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    There's a lot more to that program than lunches. You should read up.
    Give me some reading, I can't find what you're talking about.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Depends on if Obama is for it or not. If Obama is for it, Republicans are against it. That's been their whole raison d'etre since 2009.
    Yep, that pretty much sums them up. They don't have anything constructive, so all they can do is destroy things like allowing consumers to refinance their student loan debt. But when it comes time to give tax breaks for the wealthy, damn, they are gung ho. Damn, when will people wake up and see what these people are actually doing?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    In the end, I don't really think either major party has much interest in the middle class. Bunch of corporate whores on both sides.
    Well, yep. Like someone else said, all they Democrats do is throw a few crumbs here and there. But when push comes to shove, you can bet they will side with the money. Bill threw the middle class under the bus with NAFTA to save his political hide. Hillary is no different.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

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