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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you think democrats care more about the poor and middle class in this country than the republicans do then you are sadly mistaken.
    Not from looking at the normal people that frequent public forums I'm not. If the Democrats in congress are making voting decisions that favor corporate interests over those of the middle class then they're not representing our values.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The people who establish GOP policy are most likely believers in the concept of the Talented Tenth - the idea that only about 10% of the population is really worth a damn and is needed to keep everything together. While the term is normally associated with W.E.B. DuBois and African Americans - it applies to those who look at most of the masses as simply fodder for their machine.

    As such, they want to help that upper tenth as much as possible in the belief that if the upper tenth is in good shape - then the rest will fall into place.
    And under Obama's liberal policies the middle class is making less now then when he took office, there are more blacks unemployed under Obama then ever before, more on food stamps, etc etc. Liberals have never been about jobs or a growth economy or giving students a good education. Case in point on education, liberals are against student vouchers not allowing them to pick a school of their chose to get a good education. Liberals would rather pander to the teachers unions over the students education throwing the student under the bus.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    I actually agree on this point, but it's the education system as a whole that needs to be reworked, drilling information into children so they can fill in bubbles to determine how much funding a school gets is preposterous.
    kids have to be taught the basics

    but we have lost so much of what once was in the classroom

    i hate the idea of teachers teaching to a test

    i also hate the idea that most kids never get any of the arts in the classroom

    i live in a very highly rated school district....

    The Montgomery County Board of Education approved a $2.39 billion Operating Budget request for Fiscal Year (FY) 2016, which will allow the district to provide the same services to a growing number of students; manage increased operational costs; and meet salary and benefit obligations. The budget represents a 4.1 percent increase over the current year’s budget.

    Operating Budget - Montgomery County Public Schools, Rockville, MD

    2.4 freaking billion dollars....and they still want more

    it is like the government....it isnt now, and never will be enough for them

    maybe someone smarter than i am can figure it out......

    you would think that would be enough money to educate 155k students approximately
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    maybe just maybe you should read the OP

    i quoted it DIRECTLY from there
    Maybe just maybe you should read the question that I asked carefully. Let's try it again

    How is refinancing a loan making the rich pay for it?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did you even read the article?
    Did you even read my question? Do I have to spoon feed such a simple inquiry to you?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    Did you even read my question? Do I have to spoon feed such a simple inquiry to you?
    Did you read what I quoted? I already spoon feed you the relevant material, so I'm not sure what else I can do for you.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did you read what I quoted? I already spoon feed you the relevant material, so I'm not sure what else I can do for you.
    So, you have problems reading with comprehension and need to be baby fed. Let's try this simplified version that even a baby could understand

    How is refinancing a loan making the rich pay for the loan?
    Now that you have been spoon fed, can you understand?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    Maybe just maybe you should read the question that I asked carefully. Let's try it again
    Well it shouldn't theoretically. The interest rate doubled on student loans in the summer of 2013 and Congress didn't do anything about it until the refinance suggestion came up last year. But in the legislation the Democratic controlled Senate introduced last fall, they insisted that a 30% surtax be paid by all upper income wage earners to offset the loss of interest revenue the government would experience due to refinancing at a lower interest rate. Only 3 Republicans and 35 Democrats voted for that bill however. And the Democrats didn't put up a clean bill without the tax that probably would have passed. It is really tough for them to give up a really lucrative source for government revenue.

    . . .In June (2013), the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office issued a report showing a $50.6 billion profit for the Department of Education on student loans. From 2013-2020, the CBO estimates the program will bring in profits of $160 billion, which includes the doubling of interest rates. Keeping rates at 3.4% would increase the government’s cost of the student loan program to $41 billion over the next 10 years, according to the report. . .
    How Much Do Student Loans Really Cost Taxpayers? | Fox Business

    The interest rates went to 6.8% that summer.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    Maybe just maybe you should read the question that I asked carefully. Let's try it again

    Well...that depends

    Who owns the loan?

    If the government actually held the paper, then it is an entry on the federal budget

    If the government is just the guarantor, then the BANKS who actually own the paper, need to be made whole

    the program that is being touted will have a cost associated with it....making those institutions whole

    in the OP, the cost will be paid by rich people using the Buffett rule

    now....does that answer your question?
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well it shouldn't theoretically. The interest rate doubled on student loans in the summer of 2013 and Congress didn't do anything about it until the refinance suggestion came up last year. But in the legislation the Democratic controlled Senate introduced last fall, they insisted that a 30% surtax be paid by all upper income wage earners to offset the loss of interest revenue the government would experience due to refinancing at a lower interest rate.
    If the government needs revenue, it should not be getting it from people trying to pay off student debt. The proceeds from borrowers payments should go to repay the loans only and not fund the government.

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