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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    So free education isn't really free. Sure took a long time to get that out of you.
    It's free for the student's, and nothing is ever really "free" but it can be brought to the point of accessibility for all.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    How is this a bad policy?
    The Republicans think it's bad, so there's voting against it.
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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    refinance the loans, and have the RICH pay for it
    How is refinancing a loan making the rich pay for it?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Spoken like a true socialist, but yet to be proven. And even if that's true, no one is required to vote for what they think is bad policy as an alternative.
    I can look to countries like Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Germany.. there college systems are superior to ours, you show me how ours is better, all I see is raising prices, debt, and destroyed lives.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Common pushed things from the republicans such as lowering tax rates, allowing for a school voucher program, reducing regulations on businesses, etc are things that Republicans believe will utlimately have a beneficial impact on the middle class. You disagreeing with that being the case doesn't inherently make it so, nor does it negate the Republicans belief/intent that it will. If you're asking for them to come out and do something specifically "this helps the middle class and only the middle class" then you're likely going to have an issue, because again suggesting such comes from an ignorant and egotistical assumptive stand point that the Republicans must think like some Democrats/Liberals do because that is the only "TRUE" reality. Conservative ideology in general, and republican strategies in general, suggest that the government should not be significantly making it a point to segment off specific segments of the population going "this will help you, this will help you, this will help you", but instead goes off a notion of broad ideas and ideals that are meant to be beneficial to some degree across a wide range of socio-economic groups and also hold that a government limited in it's scope is beneficial to ALL, including the middle class. Simply disagreeing with their belief/intent doesn't make it so, no matter how badly some on the left may be misguided by their own self-indulgent feeling of superiority and absolutism when it comes to their world view.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The Republicans think it's bad, so there's voting against it.
    Do they have a logical reason?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Common pushed things from the republicans such as lowering tax rates, allowing for a school voucher program, reducing regulations on businesses, etc are things that Republicans believe will utlimately have a beneficial impact on the middle class. You disagreeing with that being the case doesn't inherently make it so, nor does it negate the Republicans belief/intent that it will. If you're asking for them to come out and do something specifically "this helps the middle class and only the middle class" then you're likely going to have an issue, because again suggesting such comes from an ignorant and egotistical assumptive stand point that the Republicans must think like some Democrats/Liberals do because that is the only "TRUE" reality. Conservative ideology in general, and republican strategies in general, suggest that the government should not be significantly making it a point to segment off specific segments of the population going "this will help you, this will help you, this will help you", but instead goes off a notion of broad ideas and ideals that are meant to be beneficial to some degree across a wide range of socio-economic groups and also hold that a government limited in it's scope is beneficial to ALL, including the middle class. Simply disagreeing with their belief/intent doesn't make it so, no matter how badly some on the left may be misguided by their own self-indulgent feeling of superiority and absolutism when it comes to their world view.
    Then there is a fundamental disagreement, but we've all seen what happens when businesses get little to no regulation, and I suppose lowering tax rates to support the wealthy benefits everyone with "supply side economics" I don't ascribe to a true reality, I look at what has actually happened and the effects of these things, and I make comparisons to other countries.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yes, you should, I'd like to see your alternative.
    And why should the government fix an unmarketable field or deal with price concerns of a product?

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And why should the government fix an unmarketable field or deal with price concerns of a product?
    The government has a duty to make sure that citizens have affordable and easy access to education? That seems reasonable to me, might be one of the reasons my friend in Germany laughs at our current system.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Republicans appear to be determined to block any sort of efforts designed to help the middle class. For example they opposed this effort to allow students to refinance their student loans



    GOP blocks Warren

    They also have voiced opposition to Obama's plan to provide free community college and opposed extending unemployment insurance to unemployed Americans.

    Are Republicans against helping the middle class?
    Well yes and no. If you look at facts and outcomes, yes, Republicans are against the middle class as well as the impoverished. However some are so stupid that even though the outcomes have virtually never worked as they claim to intend (trickle down economics, low tax rates, more sales, state, and local tax and less federal income tax, etc.), they still cling to the belief that those rightwing ideals do or will work.

    So either they hate anyone that can't contribute generously to their campaigns (ie the middle class and impoverished) or they are just plain stupid.
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