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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you guys ever ponder why everything the government touches gets more expensive?
    Yes, because the government involvement in colleges directly correlates with the price raising..

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Education needs to be accessible to all, a major barrier to education is the price.
    Price is always a barrier to someone.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do democrats ever have an idea to help the middle class or the poor that doesn't harm someone else? No? I didn't think so.
    Yes, they do, and I don't see how free community college hurts people, along with wage increases.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Price is always a barrier to someone.
    But not to the insane extent that's present in our college system when compared to other countries who have much more productive students and education systems, that are essentially free.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What makes this thread even sadder is that the opposition from republicans in the example was based on procedure, and not necessarily an unwillingness to consider the bill. I am not a fan of republicans, but for god's sake, let's try and be honest, accurate and make decent points, and not just spew over the top stupid rhetoric.
    I always enjoy analogies....

    I'd say everyone would agree in a GENERAL sense, it's beneficial for children to get good grades.

    However, let's say you have two teachers.

    Teach A offers their students 10 points of extra credit after every test. Teach B doesn't.

    Can we say Teacher B "against" helping kids get good grades based simply on the fact he doesn't provide extra credit?

    No, that's a ridiculous stance to take. What's more likely is that Teacher B feels that a large amount of extra credit may cause children to actually NOT attempt to study as hard because they have that extra buffer, or believe that inflated grades due to extra credit may give the child a false belief of understanding on a subject beyond what they actually have, or that they feel it's better for a child to be faced with the reality of a bad grade if they don't study well as they feel ultimately it will motivate the child to do better in the future. Or, simply put, he feels while helping kids get good grades IS important, that there are OTHER important things as well when it comes children that outweigh the benefit of giving extra credit. Or hell, perhaps he just thinks the very concept of "extra credit" is against the code of conduct for the school and so he refrains from allowing for such.

    So many questions like those of the OP are so reliant on the world functioning in this binary fashion, on top of each situation or issue existing in some kind of strange vacuum, all combined with this self-important belief that one's worldview is inherently superior and more "true" than anyone elses.

    By and large Republicans care about the middle class. How much they weigh focusing on help of the middle class with their views on the role of government, or how said help may negatively effect other segments of the population, or may negatively effect the country as a whole in the short or long term, may differ from Democrats. Additionally, what TYPES of "help" is viewed as more important or more beneficial may differ. As would the METHODS in which they feel help should be given. But it's ridiculous, imho, to suggest either party by and large simply are against helping any particular segment of the population in some form as a matter of principle. Both sides generally believe their views and methods will ultimately help the majority of people in this country across the spectrum of race, gender, age, class, etc and that's why they push so hard for their ideas to occur. The other side may disagree that the ultimate result actually DOES help any of those things, but that's a matter of perspective and opinion regarding how one judges the matter as opposed to some kind of objective fact like the OP seems so desperately to establish.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    How are you going to get the professors, janitors, mechanics, etc. to work for free? Not to mention the cost of the structures, utilities and so forth. No one pays for that?
    Education in Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Education in Finland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Education in Denmark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Just a few examples, feel free to read in depth to there college systems.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I always enjoy analogies....

    I'd say everyone would agree in a GENERAL sense, it's beneficial for children to get good grades.

    However, let's say you have two teachers.

    Teach A offers their students 10 points of extra credit after every test. Teach B doesn't.

    Can we say Teacher B "against" helping kids get good grades based simply on the fact he doesn't provide extra credit?

    No, that's a ridiculous stance to take. What's more likely is that Teacher B feels that a large amount of extra credit may cause children to actually NOT attempt to study as hard because they have that extra buffer, or believe that inflated grades due to extra credit may give the child a false belief of understanding on a subject beyond what they actually have, or that they feel it's better for a child to be faced with the reality of a bad grade if they don't study well as they feel ultimately it will motivate the child to do better in the future. Or, simply put, he feels while helping kids get good grades IS important, that there are OTHER important things as well when it comes children that outweigh the benefit of giving extra credit. Or hell, perhaps he just thinks the very concept of "extra credit" is against the code of conduct for the school and so he refrains from allowing for such.

    So many questions like those of the OP are so reliant on the world functioning in this binary fashion, on top of each situation or issue existing in some kind of strange vacuum, all combined with this self-important belief that one's worldview is inherently superior and more "true" than anyone elses.

    By and large Republicans care about the middle class. How much they weigh focusing on help of the middle class with their views on the role of government, or how said help may negatively effect other segments of the population, or may negatively effect the country as a whole in the short or long term, may differ from Democrats. Additionally, what TYPES of "help" is viewed as more important or more beneficial may differ. As would the METHODS in which they feel help should be given. But it's ridiculous, imho, to suggest either party by and large simply are against helping any particular segment of the population in some form as a matter of principle. Both sides generally believe their views and methods will ultimately help the majority of people in this country across the spectrum of race, gender, age, class, etc and that's why they push so hard for their ideas to occur. The other side may disagree that the ultimate result actually DOES help any of those things, but that's a matter of perspective and opinion regarding how one judges the matter as opposed to some kind of objective fact like the OP seems so desperately to establish.
    Than maybe the republicans should actually propose something meant to help the middle class, putting aside all of the analogies and what not, let's be real now.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    Yes, because the government involvement in colleges directly correlates with the price raising..
    The reason tuition prices are rising so quickly is because of supply and demand. The demand for a college education has increased because graduating college dramatically increases job prospects and because of government subsidies. To put it simply, when you subsidize something it becomes cheaper for people to consume and so people consume more of it and the prices rises. The fact is the more you subsidize it the more the price will rise. It's economics 101.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    But not to the insane extent that's present in our college system when compared to other countries who have much more productive students and education systems, that are essentially free.
    High prices is not something to resolve with government. When a product becomes overpriced to the point no one can afford it other solutions are needed. You should not fix an unmarketable field with government intervention.

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    Re: Are Republicans against helping the middle class?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So you basically can't deny what I said.
    Why would you compound your error by adding a fallacy?
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