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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    there's thousands of auditioners for American idol and we seem to muddle through it pretty well....are you saying we can't device a system of deabtes where 12 people will be heard?

    very few people are exposed to 3rd parties... debates lends to exposure... and <gasp!> more ideas and policies... i know , i know, it's hard to believe, but yes, by gawd, there are more than 2 positions to every issue.

    not sure why the die hard partisans are so scared of a lil competition... if you're parties are as super-duper as you believe them to be, they'll still capture the office.
    What I am saying is that the American people have shown no interest in the current crop of third parties and have shown no interest in changing the rules to benefit them.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Maybe the Libertarian Party needs to give people a reason to vote for them. They have done precious little of that.
    I will heartily agree with you here. That's why I look for candidates who are as close to libertarian, but not necessarily Libertarian, as I can get. Now mostly they end up being Republican, but I've found some Democrats along the way as well.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What I am saying is that the American people have shown no interest in the current crop of third parties and have shown no interest in changing the rules to benefit them.
    Maybe that's a self feeding cycle. People aren't interested because there is little exposure and there is little exposure because people aren't interested.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What I am saying is that the American people have shown no interest in the current crop of third parties and have shown no interest in changing the rules to benefit them.
    Ross Perot.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Maybe that's a self feeding cycle. People aren't interested because there is little exposure and there is little exposure because people aren't interested.
    Yes - you are correct - the cycle contributes to the problem.... but that is the way of most things. People have broken that cycle. Wallace in 68 won 13% of the vote and five states electoral votes. Perot in 92 won nearly one in every five votes of the voters.

    It can and has been done.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Ross Perot.
    To be clear - I did say CURRENT CROP OF THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES.

    And I also have shown Ross Perot as the example of a successful third party effort. Perot did amazingly well when you consider that about 1/3 of the electorate will always vote Republican and another 1/3 will always vote Democratic no matter if Mickey Mouse was running. What Perot did was to capture more than half of the toss up votes that were actually in play. That was a truly incredible thing.

    And in the last 20 plus years, the American people have shown no interest in the third party candidates.

    There is a hard cold ugly reality that LIBERTARIANS run from and many refuse to confront. In the summer of 2014 Pew Research released a poll which said that 11% of Americans identified as LIBERTARIAN. But at election time for President, the LIBERTARIAN PARTY candidate got just under 1% of the vote.

    If 90% of self proclaimed LIBERTARIANS stick up their middle finger to the very group that they pretend to identify with - what does that say about both them and the Libertarian party?
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    And this voter guide comes from......?
    I don't know where it comes from for everyone, nor even if everyone gets one (although they probably ought to), but here, the candidates submit position statements that are printed. It arrives by mail several weeks before every election.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Many states do not mail out voter guides.
    That's probably a problem and something that should be covered by the federal government for federal elections.

    The next election is not the issue, what is the issue is the current election.
    But you're saying that people have no idea what these parties or candidates stand for. Unless someone is voting in their first ever election, they certainly can and ought to know, or they're too uninformed and lazy to really be casting a responsible vote.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's probably a problem and something that should be covered by the federal government for federal elections.



    But you're saying that people have no idea what these parties or candidates stand for. Unless someone is voting in their first ever election, they certainly can and ought to know, or they're too uninformed and lazy to really be casting a responsible vote.

    Most voters do not research candidates.They only know who is running based on the debates and commercials they see and who the media is propping up or trying to demonize. Saying oh they can just research the candidates and parties for the election after that is a bogus claim and not a reason to squeeze out other candidates in debates.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So in the last few election cycles, 2004, 2008, 2012 - how many states was the Libertarian candidate shut out from getting on the ballot?
    I do not know about other states. I do know in my state during the presidential elections there were no libertarian or other 3rd parties in the presidential election.
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