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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If the vast majority of voters have no interest in third parties it is due to the fact most voters do not know they exist.
    They see the names on the ballot every time they vote.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The third party candidates have little interest because they can't compete for bandwidth with the 2 major parties. If people heard from them, interest would increase.

    Of course that would upset many posters on both sides who are shills of the two. Would you be upset if it took attention away from your Dem candidate?
    Not at all. Go for it. My experience has been that third parties do an absolutely crappy job - and that is trying to be polite - of doing all the things that a party needs to do to be viable. I watched in 68 and the American Independent Party with Wallace captured 13% of the vote and even won the electoral votes of five states. I watched Ross Perot take almost a full fifth of the vote in 92.

    It can be done if you have an interesting candidate and can organize.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    And exactly how are they supposed to vote Libertarian if there isn't a candidate on the ticket? Additionally, the presence of a LP candidate doesn't mean that they are the best person for the job. In one of our House elections, the LP candidate was invited and participated in the local debate at the university. Sadly, he simply could not present himself well, and spoke mainly in buzz words. Both the Republician and the Democrat were very good. In this particular race I ended up voting for the Dem. I have also voted for the Republican in a later race because the Democrat running for that one wasn't any good.

    Do you have any statistics to show how much libertarians are voting Republician?
    Fault the Libertarians for not putting a person on the ticket.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    It's pretty transparently a sham democracy when there's only 2 candidates at the prez debate but several at the respective party primary debates

    Not that i think an hour exchange using responses prepared by others (palin) is enough to reveal the complete ineptitude of many candidates. The debate questions themselves are a huge part of the problem

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A ballot doesn't tell the voter what issues the candidate stands for.Nor is it the same thing as debating other presidential candidates so that potential voters can get an idea of what issues you stand for.
    No but a voter guide does and all voters get them, as far as I know, before the election. So again, can these people not read? And even if they get to the ballot box and haven't done their homework, meaning they really shouldn't be voting at all, are they so daft they can't go home and research these parties for the next election?
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Fault the Libertarians for not putting a person on the ticket.
    Thing is you didn't fault the LP. You faulted the libertarian voter for not voting libertarian.

    I note that you avoided the bit about putting up statistics to support your point. So for all you know more libertarians are voting Democrat than Republician.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No but a voter guide does and all voters get them, as far as I know, before the election.
    And this voter guide comes from......?
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    If you think our presidential debates right now are mostly a load of bull ****, just wait until every nutjob representing the extremes gets in on them.

    For example, a question gets asked about tax reform:

    Democratic Candidate - We need to simplify our tax code while still keeping it progressive....Clinton Rates.... Blah, blah, blah....

    Republican Candidate - We need to simplify our tax code by making it flatter....Ronald Reagan.... Blah, blah,blah...

    Libertarian Candidate - Gold Standard...Federal Reserve....Guns Owners....Vaccines violate personal liberty.... (wtf)

    Green Candidate - Look at the Yanomami tribe....Ivory Trade....Justice...Vaccines contain toxins.... (wtf)
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The thing is, if there was interest in the candidates from all the 'other' parties (i.e. not D or R) then they would make much better showing in the polls. If the grass roots really wants these people to succeed, they need to put their time, energy, creativity, and money where their mouths are, make sure there are enough signatures to get them on the ballot in all 50 states, and make sure they are visible on Fallon or Ellen or Good Morning America or Saturday Night Live or any of the other popular forums for political candidates. Get them face and name recognition, and teach them how to get a message out, and you'll see better poll percentages for them.

    I do think a candidate does need 10 to 15% of the polls to be considered at all viable. And you don't want the 'also rans' to take important face time away from a good candidate who does have a chance to be viable and to win.

    Having said that, the debates themselves are a recitation of memorized talking points and teach us almost nothing about the candidates other than who has the funniest one liners and delivery style and/or who is the most likable. We very seldom find anything out about them that is useful to determine who would make the best President.
    With more people in the pool who are serious, the talking point thing will go away.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Thing is you didn't fault the LP. You faulted the libertarian voter for not voting libertarian.

    I note that you avoided the bit about putting up statistics to support your point. So for all you know more libertarians are voting Democrat than Republician.
    I am going by what folks here confess - they proudly state they are libertarian but then vote republican. If you want stats

    http://www.cato.org/publications/com...bertarian-vote

    Maybe the Libertarian Party needs to give people a reason to vote for them. They have done precious little of that.
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