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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I've always been ambivalent about the utility of debates in general. Just because a candidate does well in a debate (or conversely if he or she does poorly) is not an indicator of how well they would perform as President.
    Well that's true, I suppose we could have them arm wrestle, or take an IQ test, but it's difficult to get more than sound bites from these guys, unless they're in the very comfortable arms of a loyal audience, and then it's dripping with patronizing cheerleaders. Point in case. Cruz's "imagine" speech yesterday morning. "Imagine a president that really, really, really secured our borders", lol. No president has ever secured our borders. And until there's no more benefit to corporate America of porous borders, none will. How about, "imagine filling out your tax return on a postcard, imagine no more IRS", another lol. No revenue service to mail those post cards to, no revenue service to process those monies, monitor and revue them for accuracy, no more IRS. How about no more abortions, too? And you should have heard the hysterical crowd.

    No, I'll take the debates short as they are, where such assertions can be CHALLENGED.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Recently there has been some debate around the Presidential Debates, and how many candidates should be invited. A new group is looking to press for a change in the rules to make it easier for 3rd parties or independent candidates into the debate. Info on that can be found here: New group calls for changes in presidential debate rules - The Washington Post


    My question to you is, "should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the Presidential debates?"
    I think that numbers are key for determining credibility, otherwise you wind up with people like Lyndon Larouche... I think that polling however should include all viable political parties and polling should be more open to the public: for instance, I've never been polled and I don't know anyone who has. We have to make it easier for other candidates to get their word out as well. I'm for doing something.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If the vast majority of voters have no interest in third parties it is due to the fact most voters do not know they exist.
    What, these people can't read? If there are a dozen names on the ballot, nobody is even curious what any of the ones without the D or the R stand for? Seriously?
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    A screw it, just take a candidate, shoot 'em up with Sodium Pentothal (or get the drunk) and have one interviewer ask them a bunch of questions over an hour...then we might find out what they are really about.


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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If ALL CANDIDATES mean everybody on the ballot for President, that could be a rather large crowd on stage especially once word of this change gets out.

    So how do you get around the normal objection that the vast vast majority of voters have no interest in the little third party candidates and parties and just want to hear the big two - or in rare years possible three?
    The third party candidates have little interest because they can't compete for bandwidth with the 2 major parties. If people heard from them, interest would increase.

    Of course that would upset many posters on both sides who are shills of the two. Would you be upset if it took attention away from your Dem candidate?


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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    A screw it, just take a candidate, shoot 'em up with Sodium Pentothal (or get the drunk) and have one interviewer ask them a bunch of questions over an hour...then we might find out what they are really about.

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    But yet, third party advocates wallow in the belief that if somehow they could just get in on the debates all their problems would be solved. What a joke.

    Lets look at all the folks here who pretend that they are LIBERTARIAN but on election day go to the polls and end up voting REPUBLICAN.
    And exactly how are they supposed to vote Libertarian if there isn't a candidate on the ticket? Additionally, the presence of a LP candidate doesn't mean that they are the best person for the job. In one of our House elections, the LP candidate was invited and participated in the local debate at the university. Sadly, he simply could not present himself well, and spoke mainly in buzz words. Both the Republician and the Democrat were very good. In this particular race I ended up voting for the Dem. I have also voted for the Republican in a later race because the Democrat running for that one wasn't any good.

    Do you have any statistics to show how much libertarians are voting Republician?
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    "Well of course we don't want blacks voting....unless they vote along the wishes of (insert name of corporation here)."
    Exactly...wouldn't it be a blast to watch?

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What, these people can't read?
    A ballot doesn't tell the voter what issues the candidate stands for.Nor is it the same thing as debating other presidential candidates so that potential voters can get an idea of what issues you stand for.



    If there are a dozen names on the ballot,
    A dozen names on the ballot? That is if you are lucky enough to live in a state that does screw third parties out of ballot access.Besides a ballot is not a debate, nor is it name recognition or tell you what issues a candidate stands for.

    nobody is even curious what any of the ones without the D or the R stand for? Seriously?
    Assuming you live in a state that doesn't **** 3rd parties out of ballot access is a poll worker is going to inform every single voter what each of these different letters mean and what the candidates stand for? Is there a list of what issues a candidate stands for under the candidate's name on a ballot or even on the voting booth wall? Is there a computer terminal in the voting booth with all the information about all the candidates? So the answers to all those questions is "**** no there isn't any of those things". So it is too late to go "oh I wonder the **** is all those other names letters on the ballot are".
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I think that numbers are key for determining credibility, otherwise you wind up with people like Lyndon Larouche... I think that polling however should include all viable political parties and polling should be more open to the public: for instance, I've never been polled and I don't know anyone who has. We have to make it easier for other candidates to get their word out as well. I'm for doing something.
    The thing is, if there was interest in the candidates from all the 'other' parties (i.e. not D or R) then they would make much better showing in the polls. If the grass roots really wants these people to succeed, they need to put their time, energy, creativity, and money where their mouths are, make sure there are enough signatures to get them on the ballot in all 50 states, and make sure they are visible on Fallon or Ellen or Good Morning America or Saturday Night Live or any of the other popular forums for political candidates. Get them face and name recognition, and teach them how to get a message out, and you'll see better poll percentages for them.

    I do think a candidate does need 10 to 15% of the polls to be considered at all viable. And you don't want the 'also rans' to take important face time away from a good candidate who does have a chance to be viable and to win.

    Having said that, the debates themselves are a recitation of memorized talking points and teach us almost nothing about the candidates other than who has the funniest one liners and delivery style and/or who is the most likable. We very seldom find anything out about them that is useful to determine who would make the best President.
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