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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's ridiculous. The vast majority of Americans don't know what they are. For the very reasons we've been pointing out to you. Like the establishment, you seem fearful of having anti-establishment voices in the same room with republicans and democrats.
    Maybe you want a law making it a criminal offense for people to not listen to 3rd party candidates to force people to listen to them. But you just keep harping on the word "anti-establishment" in your condemnations - which actually are condemnations of American voters who would behave they way you want them to.

    Most 3rd Party candidates previously attempted to run as Democrats or Republicans - and were soundly rejected by voters. They then cry trying to blame the voters, the political parties, the media - anyone but the fact that they were rejected.

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Maybe you want a law making it a criminal offense for people to not listen to 3rd party candidates to force people to listen to them. But you just keep harping on the word "anti-establishment" in your condemnations - which actually are condemnations of American voters who would behave they way you want them to.

    Most 3rd Party candidates previously attempted to run as Democrats or Republicans - and were soundly rejected by voters. They then cry trying to blame the voters, the political parties, the media - anyone but the fact that they were rejected.
    Case in point, you. Dismissing all third party voices as pretentious and disgruntled republicans and democrats. You, and the dinosaurs you seek to protect from scrutiny are fearful of being in the same room at the sometime in prime time with TPC's, lol.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    No vote , as the "none of the above option is missing .
    Perhaps, the rules should be "tighter" , given the quality of the candidates...Particularly the so-called conservatives .. terrible .. panderers to scumbags ..
    And the liberals, who are scumbags. As you say, there is no quality from any party whatsoever, we'd often be better off with no leadership at all.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Ross Perot did pretty good for himself in the debates. However, his VP choice did not help him, to say the least.

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, i think it all needs to start with ballot access laws.
    there is a balance to strike here, of course, i mean, it shouldn't be a matter of just "sign up and you're in"... but it also shouldn't be insurmountable to gain access either.

    I think if a party makes it on the ballot in the majority of states, it should automatically be allowed in the debates.... there should be no further thresholds to overcome.
    there's no good reason why a party can be on the ballot in the majority of states, but not be allowed to debate.. not one.

    as for filtering out the outliers and extremes, well, that's where the "majority of states" thing comes in... if you can gain access in 26 states, you're probably not some wacko party.

    we have independents elected in Congress.. Bernie Sanders is a notable one..... and the independent party, or even independent candidates, is still not allowed to debate if they don't exceed the thresholds put in place by the CPD (polling above 15%.. nationally)
    the Commission on Presidential Debates is not a government organization.. it's a private non-profit set up and entirely controlled by the RNC and DNC.. and they hold a monopoly on "official" presidential debates.
    3rd parties can set up their own debates, but as we have seen,but the mainstream media will not cover it whatsoever.... few people even know there was even a 3rd party debate that actually happened .... I suspect collusion between the major media outlets and the CPD, but that's just a theory, as far as i know

    so yeah, having people elected and in office doesn't mean anything when it comes to debates... it's entirely irrelevant in our corrupted system.
    You have anything to present that other political parties aren't corrupt and can't be corrupted?

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    Ross Perot did pretty good for himself in the debates. However, his VP choice did not help him, to say the least.
    Wait! Isn't it being claimed that people like H. Ross Perot were never allowed in debates and therefore it impossible he was ever in one with the 2 major party candidates?

    Maybe the suggestion of the OP is outright false and it is only losers who essentially have no support that aren't allowed in the major debated and instead put into their own losers' 3rd party debates?

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    this is nothing more than you saying " for your own good, we're not going to let you hear from people I personally hate"
    There is nothing in the way of a legal impediment stopping anyone from getting their message out.

    Coming up with lame excuses blaming others is rather par for the course for those who cannot face the reality of their own weak position with the American people.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Wait! Isn't it being claimed that people like H. Ross Perot were never allowed in debates and therefore it impossible he was ever in one with the 2 major party candidates?

    Maybe the suggestion of the OP is outright false and it is only losers who essentially have no support that aren't allowed in the major debated and instead put into their own losers' 3rd party debates?
    He debated in the 1992 elections. I think as a result of that, the major parties blocked him in 1996.

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Name the 3rd party presidential candidates that were on the presidential ballot in enough states to have an electoral college majority. Can any of you advocating 3rd party candidates do so?

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Ironfist View Post
    He debated in the 1992 elections. I think as a result of that, the major parties blocked him in 1996.
    What happened is he joined a 3rd party (The reform party) and there was an internal feud within that party for which half the supporters bailed out on Perot. But it is easier to blame everyone else and claim some conspiracy against him, isn't it?

    Perot ran as a grudge against Republicans and was just a spoiler for the Democrats picking off Republican votes, nothing else.

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