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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's the whole point. Third party candidates are deliberately marginalized by the establishment, Americans don't get to hear and see them. That's the reason for a need to change the rules, get these people in the open, let Americans actually hear them.
    Third parties have a much bigger problem than that. It called themselves. Consider that last year a Pew Research survey claimed that 11% of Americans identified themselves as being of libertarian persuasion. That is one out of nine Americans IF that number is correct. So at election item what happens? Those so called self identified libertarians go to the polls and 90% of them vote for somebody other than the LIBERTARIAN PARTY - most of them voting Republican.

    Deal with that before you start getting on horseback and tilting at windmills you pretend are monsters.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, i think it all needs to start with ballot access laws.
    there is a balance to strike here, of course, i mean, it shouldn't be a matter of just "sign up and you're in"... but it also shouldn't be insurmountable to gain access either.

    I think if a party makes it on the ballot in the majority of states, it should automatically be allowed in the debates.... there should be no further thresholds to overcome.
    there's no good reason why a party can be on the ballot in the majority of states, but not be allowed to debate.. not one.

    as for filtering out the outliers and extremes, well, that's where the "majority of states" thing comes in... if you can gain access in 26 states, you're probably not some wacko party.

    we have independents elected in Congress.. Bernie Sanders is a notable one..... and the independent party, or even independent candidates, is still not allowed to debate if they don't exceed the thresholds put in place by the CPD (polling above 15%.. nationally)
    the Commission on Presidential Debates is not a government organization.. it's a private non-profit set up and entirely controlled by the RNC and DNC.. and they hold a monopoly on "official" presidential debates.
    3rd parties can set up their own debates, but as we have seen,but the mainstream media will not cover it whatsoever.... few people even know there was even a 3rd party debate that actually happened .... I suspect collusion between the major media outlets and the CPD, but that's just a theory, as far as i know

    so yeah, having people elected and in office doesn't mean anything when it comes to debates... it's entirely irrelevant in our corrupted system.
    I appreciate what you're saying but I don't think Bernie Sanders is a good example - he's elected as independent but he doesn't represent a known independent party, does he? Is he financed by such a party? Libermann was the same way when he won as an independent. What I'm referring to is say the Tea Party incorporating and officially sponsoring and financing candidates for the House and/or Senate. They could probably get a few elected. At that point, I believe if they field a Presidential candidate, that candidate should be part of the debates. When I refer to independent I mean affiliated to a party but not with the two main parties.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's true enough... however,in the absence of me providing you with an education, you might want to think about putting in a little work yourself.... you were allegedly an educator, you oughta know how to research by now.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I appreciate what you're saying but I don't think Bernie Sanders is a good example - he's elected as independent but he doesn't represent a known independent party, does he? Is he financed by such a party? Libermann was the same way when he won as an independent. What I'm referring to is say the Tea Party incorporating and officially sponsoring and financing candidates for the House and/or Senate. They could probably get a few elected. At that point, I believe if they field a Presidential candidate, that candidate should be part of the debates. When I refer to independent I mean affiliated to a party but not with the two main parties.
    that's a it backwards to me (requiring them to get elected first and then offering exposure)... and congresscritters have really nothing to do with Presidential races... there's no correlation in our system.

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I will not lift my little finger to help you do what you are responsible for doing yourself.
    I'm not responsible for your education.

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I'm not responsible for your education.
    That comment makes no sense in any way, shape or form as nobody wants you to be responsible for anything except your own claims, your own allegations and your own arguments.

    If you cannot support that with evidence when challenged - its all meaningless verbage.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That comment makes no sense in any way, shape or form as nobody wants you to be responsible for anything except your own claims, your own allegations and your own arguments.

    If you cannot support that with evidence when challenged - its all meaningless verbage.
    you could have fully educated yourself on the issue by now...why haven't you?

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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Third parties have a much bigger problem than that. It called themselves. Consider that last year a Pew Research survey claimed that 11% of Americans identified themselves as being of libertarian persuasion. That is one out of nine Americans IF that number is correct. So at election item what happens? Those so called self identified libertarians go to the polls and 90% of them vote for somebody other than the LIBERTARIAN PARTY - most of them voting Republican.

    Deal with that before you start getting on horseback and tilting at windmills you pretend are monsters.
    You make my point. It's not in the establishments interest for third party candidates to have exposure. They are intentionally marginalized. Just for both republican and democratic candidates to skip, and therefore dismiss as irrelevant the third party debates sends the message to all r and d partisan Americans they don't need to pay attention to them. This would be why you have only 11% here and 7% over there. Let's change these rules and force the ass and the elephant into the same room with the TPC's.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you could have fully educated yourself on the issue by now...why haven't you?
    And therein lies the folly of your false assumption.
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    Re: should the rules be changed to make it easier for one or more candidate into the

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You make my point. It's not in the establishments interest for third party candidates to have exposure. They are intentionally marginalized.
    They marginalize themselves with their views.
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