View Poll Results: Who would you vote for if these ended up being the presidential candidates?

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  • Ted Cruz

    9 16.98%
  • Hillary Clinton

    15 28.30%
  • Terry Jones

    0 0%
  • Zoltan Istvan

    1 1.89%
  • Jill Stein

    2 3.77%
  • Bernie Sanders

    6 11.32%
  • Gary Johnson

    12 22.64%
  • Sorry, but if those are the options I am not going to vote

    4 7.55%
  • I don't intend to vote no matter who runs

    1 1.89%
  • I am not American but my choice would be...........

    3 5.66%
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Thread: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 because I didn't trust one major political party's candidate and lost faith in the other major political party's candidate. I would probably vote for Johnson again in 2016 if my choice was between Cruz and Hillary.

    I do not trust either one of them. Although it probably wouldn't make much difference in the scope of things who wins. As long as the winner is from one of the major parties it will be business as usual.
    Yes, but that is how the US system works, it favors the mighty/big 2 and makes it nearly impossible for someone else to win the most important office in the US.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    I'm not even a little interested in Ted Cruz or any of the options listed, but I will definitely and enthusiastically vote against Hillary Clinton should she decide to run.

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm not even a little interested in Ted Cruz or any of the options listed, but I will definitely and enthusiastically vote against Hillary Clinton should she decide to run.
    But will that "dislike" vote be able to carry that candidate to enough electoral votes? I am not that sure. You need a superstar to defeat Hillary I would assume.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    I am hopeful that Hillary will continue to defeat herself.

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yes, but that is how the US system works, it favors the mighty/big 2 and makes it nearly impossible for someone else to win the most important office in the US.
    That comes from the fact the two major parties write the election laws as a mutual protection act. Then there are the lobbyists, special interests, corporations, wall street firms, etc. who donate millions to the two major parties and none to third parties. This is why Romney had a billion dollars and Obama had a billion dollars to spend on their campaigns, Johnson was in third place with 3 million dollars. When the two major parties can outspend you 2 billion to 3 million, your message is not going to get out.

    Then you have the presidential debates, the two major parties took them from the League of Woman's voters because the league allowed Ross Perot to take part in them. The two major parties vowed never again and yank them from the League. Our political system is a monopoly.

    We think we have a choice of whom to vote for, but that choice is determined by the establishment. Not the voters. In reality we only have one political party, but that party has two wings. The Republican wing and the Democratic wing.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 because I didn't trust one major political party's candidate and lost faith in the other major political party's candidate. I would probably vote for Johnson again in 2016 if my choice was between Cruz and Hillary.

    I do not trust either one of them. Although it probably wouldn't make much difference in the scope of things who wins. As long as the winner is from one of the major parties it will be business as usual.
    True, but how much effort has come from Johnson, how hard is he trying?

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm not even a little interested in Ted Cruz or any of the options listed, but I will definitely and enthusiastically vote against Hillary Clinton should she decide to run.
    Lets hope the Dems come up with some other choices by then. Nothing is etched in stone yet, and to think Hillary is the only one might be wishful thinking by the Clintons, although I doubt even Bill thinks she'll make it. The dude has too much ego to let that happen.

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But will that "dislike" vote be able to carry that candidate to enough electoral votes? I am not that sure. You need a superstar to defeat Hillary I would assume.
    Election forecasts is a hobby of mine. I break the states down into two categories when it comes to electoral votes. Democratic trustworthy states, states that have gone Democratic for each of the last 4 presidential elections and by a margin of at least 5 percentage points in each election. They total up to 247 electoral votes. Using the same criteria for the Republicans, their trustworthy states total only 191, 270 needed to win.

    The toss up or swing states are
    Florida 29 Electoral votes
    Ohio 18
    North Carolina 15
    Virginia 13
    Colorado 9
    Iowa 6
    Nevada 6
    New Hampshire 4

    Do the math, they aren't many paths for a Republican to win in the electoral college. Unless Obama fatigue sets in big time like bush fatigue did back in 2007, I do not foresee a Republican winning.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    True, but how much effort has come from Johnson, how hard is he trying?
    No one knows which way or whom the Libertarians will nominate in 2016. I would assume as of today, he is doing absolutely nothing.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Round 1. Ted "Tea Party Supported" Cruz vs. Hillary "has to run" Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Election forecasts is a hobby of mine. I break the states down into two categories when it comes to electoral votes. Democratic trustworthy states, states that have gone Democratic for each of the last 4 presidential elections and by a margin of at least 5 percentage points in each election. They total up to 247 electoral votes. Using the same criteria for the Republicans, their trustworthy states total only 191, 270 needed to win.

    The toss up or swing states are
    Florida 29 Electoral votes
    Ohio 18
    North Carolina 15
    Virginia 13
    Colorado 9
    Iowa 6
    Nevada 6
    New Hampshire 4

    Do the math, they aren't many paths for a Republican to win in the electoral college. Unless Obama fatigue sets in big time like bush fatigue did back in 2007, I do not foresee a Republican winning.
    It depends who is running for the Dems. If its some old hat, they might have a chance. If its someone new and refreshing...Warren i.e., the Reps should pack up now.

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