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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I am not so sure that we need more sticks when simply withholding carrots may well do the trick. That is why I favor no public assistance be given to households with non-disabled adults w/o HS educations. More households would then acquire your parent's common sense and good values.

    here's the thing, though : we're a first world country, and we will never let people starve to death or go without healthcare. i'm fine with that. so let's fix the root of the problem.

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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    here's the thing, though : we're a first world country, and we will never let people starve to death or go without healthcare. i'm fine with that. so let's fix the root of the problem.
    Why must all government solutions require more government force and more government expense to employ that force?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why must all government solutions require more government force and more government expense to employ that force?
    Because government only has one tool to work with.

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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we shouldn't let them drop out of high school. that is a stupid decision, and it has no benefits for either the individual or for society.
    Irrelevant, at this point, though. Those people have a hard time finding a job not because they are unqualified for menial labor jobs (which are the most numerous these days), but because there are too few of them for the number of people that need them.


    To put this another way, we had half the population in the 50s than we do now, and also half the automation in the 50s than we do now.

    What does that spell?
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Because government only has one tool to work with.
    If your only tool is a hammer then you must address all problems as if they were nails.
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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I am not so sure that we need more sticks when simply withholding carrots may well do the trick. That is why I favor no public assistance be given to households with non-disabled adults w/o HS educations. More households would then acquire your parent's common sense and good values.
    The only way that would work is to have FREE GED educational services post high school.


    Someone who needs public assistance isn't exactly going to be able to fork over the cash and the time to get their GED.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    This is getting way of track anyway, though. The majority of people on public assistance HAVE jobs. Welfare, food stamps? These are just corporate subsidies. Corporations are simply passing on a portion of their operating costs to John Q. Public.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    The only way that would work is to have FREE GED educational services post high school.


    Someone who needs public assistance isn't exactly going to be able to fork over the cash and the time to get their GED.
    Why is that necessary? We don't offer free K-12 to adults now, we expect them to take advantage of that before they turn 21. Many folks, including my father, got their GED without any special "free" government programs. The idea that you are owed government assistance for your entire life because you wanted to live your life on a different schedule than most folks makes no sense. I would have liked to be "retired" (on public funds) until I was 65, then getting a free public education (including college) and working (for the government) the rest of my life but, somehow, most do not support offering me that choice.
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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why is that necessary? We don't offer free K-12 to adults now, we expect them to take advantage of that before they turn 21. Many folks, including my father, got their GED without any special "free" government programs. The idea that you are owed government assistance for your entire life because you wanted to live your life on a different schedule than most folks makes no sense. I would have liked to be "retired" (on public funds) until I was 65, then getting a free public education (including college) and working (for the government) the rest of my life but, somehow, most do not support offering me that choice.
    I don't think you're understanding me. Unless you, and we, as a society are willing to let people starve to death because they made a stupid decision when they were a teenager, and didn't have parents that were worth a hill of ****, then you HAVE to either keep giving them the food and assistance for free, no strings attached as we currently do, or give them the education they need to qualify for the free stuff as you would like.

    Expecting someone who can't afford FOOD to be able to afford to spend a couple grand (and a decent amount of time) on getting a GED is unrealistic, unless, again, we are all OK with letting them starve to death due to poor decision making as a teenager.

    Poor policy, won't ever fly.

    And even so, having everyone have a GED won't change ****. You don't NEED a GED to flip burgers, run a cash register, stock shelves, or push carts.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Are student loan interest rates to high?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I don't think you're understanding me. Unless you, and we, as a society are willing to let people starve to death because they made a stupid decision when they were a teenager, and didn't have parents that were worth a hill of ****, then you HAVE to either keep giving them the food and assistance for free, no strings attached as we currently do, or give them the education they need to qualify for the free stuff as you would like.

    Expecting someone who can't afford FOOD to be able to afford to spend a couple grand (and a decent amount of time) on getting a GED is unrealistic, unless, again, we are all OK with letting them starve to death due to poor decision making as a teenager.

    Poor policy, won't ever fly.

    And even so, having everyone have a GED won't change ****. You don't NEED a GED to flip burgers, run a cash register, stock shelves, or push carts.
    Plenty of people work those jobs (as well as the construction trades) without a GED and do not require public assistance - thus your alleged need for a "free" GED program first is BS. My point is that ANY job training is far harder if the trainee cannot read or do basic math and refuses to sit down, shut up and listen. To keep non-disabled, adult folks on the dole just because they cannot (or will not) get/keep a job is insane.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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