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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Oh really? Here's the one that you conveniently neglected to post, or perhaps did not read
    Yes, really. Here's the one that you dishonestly neglected to post
    The most direct response to a dangerous
    conspiracy theories is censorship. That response is unavailable in an open society,
    because it is inconsistent with principles of freedom of expression. We could imagine
    circumstances in which a conspiracy theory became so pervasive, and so dangerous, that
    censorship would be thinkable. But in an open society, the need for censorship would be
    correspondingly reduced. In any case censorship may well turn out to be self-defeating.
    The effort to censor the theory might well be taken as evidence that the theory is true, and
    censorship of speech is notoriously difficult
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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, really. Here's the one that you dishonestly neglected to post
    Funny thing. That paragraph doesn't make me feel any better.
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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Constitutional right of free speech aside, human right of free speech aside, no government should ever have the authority to determine for its own purposes what the truth is.

    Attack conspiracy theories with truth and reason, not force.

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Constitutional right of free speech aside, human right of free speech aside, no government should ever have the authority to determine for its own purposes what the truth is.

    Attack conspiracy theories with truth and reason, not force.
    That can be difficult with those conspiracies that are truths and not theories.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 03-21-15 at 07:50 PM.
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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That can be difficult with those conspiracies that are truths an not theories.
    Facts are facts, no matter what we call it.

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    Facts are facts, no matter what we call it.
    Yes indeed. Here's a classic example of a portion of our government, engaging in a conspiracy.

    Democrats have rounded on revelations about a private dinner of House Republicans on inauguration day in 2009 in which they plotted a campaign of obstruction against newly installed president Barack Obama.

    Yes, these Newt Gingrich led republicans conspired to devise a plan that would limit Obama to a one term presidency.

    This was no conspiracy theory.
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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    governments already create such conspiracy tales in order to manipulate the events
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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, really. Here's the one that you dishonestly neglected to post
    Sorry Charlie! What you forgot was this

    What he does is list a number of the actions that the government might take, including banning conspiracy theorizing, and discusses what he thinks the results might be. With regards to banning conspiracy theorizing, although he does say it MIGHT be self defeating, he clearly says the he can imagine a scenario where it becomes thinkable.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064446822

    That is not a dishonest summary of what was said.

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Funny thing. That paragraph doesn't make me feel any better.
    Again, this is glaring

    We could imagine circumstances in which a conspiracy theory became so pervasive, and so dangerous, that censorship would be thinkable.
    Damn! I hope that guy never makes it to the Supreme Court. Imagine Scalia, Thomas, and Sunstein. WOW!!!!

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Sorry Charlie! What you forgot was this



    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064446822

    That is not a dishonest summary of what was said.
    Compare that with this:

    In the need to develop a capacity to know what potential enemies are doing, the United States government has perfected a technological capability that enables us to monitor the messages that go through the air. Now, that is necessary and important to the United States as we look abroad at enemies or potential enemies. We must know, at the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left such is the capability to monitor everything—telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide.
    If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.

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