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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Here's the actual paper where no such thing as banning/taxing CT dissemination is actually advocated.
    Conspiracy Theories by Cass R. Sunstein, Adrian Vermeule :: SSRN


    But don't let fact that the guy advises against banning/taxing CT dissemination that stop the CT that the guy will try to ban/tax CT dissemination.


    Facts ain't nothing but a thing, baby
    Can't let those "things" get in the way of a good CT.
    Where does he actually advise against such? He clearly states that it is a possible government response.

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    But don't let fact that the guy advises against banning/taxing CT dissemination that stop the CT that the guy will try to ban/tax CT dissemination.
    The fact that he advises against? There is no where that he says that the government should not do it. He does say that it might be self defeating.

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Where does he actually advise against such? He clearly states that it is a possible government response.
    The most direct response to a dangerous conspiracy theories is censorship. That response is unavailable in an open society, because it is inconsistent with principles of freedom of expression.
    Seems like they think banning them isnt an option

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Where does he actually advise against such? He clearly states that it is a possible government response.
    In the sentences that immediately follow the ones you quoted. You know, the sentences you "conveniently neglected" to quote
    (3) Government might itself engage in counterspeech, marshaling arguments to discredit conspiracy theories. (4) Government might formally hire credible private parties to engage in counterspeech. (5) Government might engage in informal communication with such parties, encouraging them to help." However, the authors advocate that each "instrument has a distinctive set of potential effects, or costs and benefits, and each will have a place under imaginable conditions. However, our main policy idea is that government should engage in cognitive infiltration of the groups that produce conspiracy theories, which involves a mix of (3), (4) and (5)."
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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    This thread is a conspiracy theory, so yes.

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In the sentences that immediately follow the ones you quoted. You know, the sentences you "conveniently neglected" to quote
    These "groups" aren't always "producing" conspiracies, often they're pointing them out.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The fact that he advises against? There is no where that he says that the government should not do it. He does say that it might be self defeating.
    The author wanted to recommend the strategy.
    So he used the phrase self-defeating.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The author wanted to recommend the strategy.
    So he used the phrase self-defeating.
    The fact is that what you posted was simply not true. You said that

    But don't let fact that the guy advises against banning/taxing CT dissemination
    That is simply not the case. What he does is list a number of the actions that the government might take, including banning conspiracy theorizing, and discusses what he thinks the results might be. With regards to banning conspiracy theorizing, although he does say it MIGHT be self defeating, he clearly says the he can imagine a scenario where it becomes thinkable.

    We could imagine circumstances in which a conspiracy theory became so pervasive, and so dangerous, that censorship would be thinkable.

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The fact is that what you posted was simply not true. You said that



    That is simply not the case. What he does is list a number of the actions that the government might take, including banning conspiracy theorizing, and discusses what he thinks the results might be. With regards to banning conspiracy theorizing, although he does say it MIGHT be self defeating, he clearly says the he can imagine a scenario where it becomes thinkable.
    And he advocates the use of "counter speech" (read=government propaganda) to controlling what they dismiss as theories.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the government ban conspiracy theorizing?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In the sentences that immediately follow the ones you quoted. You know, the sentences you "conveniently neglected" to quote
    Oh really? Here's the one that you conveniently neglected to post, or perhaps did not read

    We could imagine circumstances in which a conspiracy theory became so pervasive, and so dangerous, that censorship would be thinkable.

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