View Poll Results: What is the best example of fair punishment for a week?

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  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose all toys.

    21 84.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 1 toy.

    2 8.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 2 toys.

    1 4.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 50% of their toys.

    1 4.00%
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Thread: "Fair" punishment

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    Not if they both have to give up 100% and sit in the same chair :P.
    But that requires action on the part of another for the entire week just to make sure that they stay in that chair (unless you handcuff them). Taking the toy(s) is instant and requires no more than securing them out of reach of the child, e.g. locking the toy(s) in the car trunk.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, everyone can see the poll question, but no one knows why their toys are relevant to the question or what the boys actually did.
    The OP thinks that people with more should pay more for the same misbehavior simply because they have more.
    it is nothing more than an appeal to emotion argument.

    so in other words.

    timmy has 2 toys and tommy has 4 and so tommy should have to pay more toys if he misbehaves than timmy since timmy has more.

    it is a failed argument all the way around.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The poll question deals with sentencing for an infraction, I picked option #2 because it is the least severe. If a fine, penalty or sentence is to be equal or "fair" then it may not vary based on anything except the nature of the offense, and possibly one's prior record of offenses. The concept of taking a percentage of one's assets is not fair because that implies that jaywalking is not equally serious based on one's wealth. The example should have included a child with 100 toys and a child with no toys - which makes it impossible to punish the child with no toys and far less likely to see option #1 as fair.
    How did you get all that from the question? The Idea that punishing children and civil penalties are in any way related is way off base IMO.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    How did you get all that from the question? The Idea that punishing children and civil penalties are in any way related is way off base IMO.
    If a child has no (or few) toys then what was the punishment? The idea that taking everything for any minor infraction (not doing a homework assignment) as the "fair" thing to do escapes me.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If a child has no (or few) toys then what was the punishment? The idea that taking everything for any minor infraction (not doing a homework assignment) as the "fair" thing to do escapes me.
    Loss does not equal punishment, deprivation does. The operative word is punish. In this example there were no boys without toys, had there been that available as a circumstance I would have to find another form of punishment for the toyless boy and consider applying the alternative to both.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If a child has no (or few) toys then what was the punishment? The idea that taking everything for any minor infraction (not doing a homework assignment) as the "fair" thing to do escapes me.
    Not taking away every toy is hardly a punishment. Kids only need one to be perfectly entertained. THAT is what you are trying to take away, their entertainment. Well, kids don't even really NEED toys for entertainment. So yeah, IMO, unless you can take away ALL of their toys, you're wasting your time just taking away SOME of them, for, say, not doing some of their homework.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    The poll is rigged, there is no option for locking them in the basement for a month.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Dear God, I pray this is sarcasm.
    It would be if it wasn't so damned close to some of the lunatic ideas I've seen proposed around here.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    I don't care about any of this right now. I'm interested in one particular facet, particularly the severity relative to the punishee. Nothing more, nothing less.
    For Gods sake man think of the children.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Well, I HAVE two boys. I am certain that one of them must have more toys than the other. If they get in sufficient enough trouble they would both loose ALL their toys.

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