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  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose all toys.

    21 84.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 1 toy.

    2 8.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 2 toys.

    1 4.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 50% of their toys.

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Thread: "Fair" punishment

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    hmm.I had taken it as reinforcement ,punishment ,behaviorism etc. from educational perspective
    You have no idea how thankful I am for this statement.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    The didn't do their homework and decided to play with their toys instead. Does that help?

    But I guess what does it matter if it is the same thing? I find that very curious. Isn't the quantity of toys arbitrary anyway? Can you some how put a price in toys on misbehavior?

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That was where my spankings occurred. So?

    I never got my toys taken away.
    So what do you take from that? If both boys get spanked instead, does it eliminate the need to even care about how many toys they have?

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    I never considered this a complex question until recently. I wanted to put it into generic terms and see what kind of responses I got but do it in terms that was a little less loaded. This is largely a social science question regarding concepts like surplus, deprivation, etc.

    This is simply an opinion poll. The boys are the same in each scenario, and you can assume that they misbehaved in the same manner. The number of toys never change. The only thing that changes is the cost of punishment. Choose the one you feel treats both boys with the same degree of punishment and maybe explain why.
    I chose #1 that they both lose their toys. If the punishment is no toys, then it doesn't matter how many each start with. They end up with no toys.
    Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ~W.C. Fields

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Another progressive fine question.



    I'm hate to have to do so, but I guess I will. I'm going to burst your bubble.






    Kids =/= Adults.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    You have no idea how thankful I am for this statement.
    not at all .but thats why I believe we need to learn what they did.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean. Can you not see the poll question?
    How can you punish if you dont know the reason? All reasons are not equal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Wow... people have a hard time dealing with hypotheticals... its pretty common sense on what the thread means, but maybe not everyone has common sense...Now whether you can compare this demonstration to other things, is a question in and of itself...
    Thank you for your answer, you nailed my logic but it was the above sentence I wanted to call out. I don't think it's the hypothetical. This is not a difficult hypothetical. I think it's the abstract. People are always suggestion things like making it based on time, but they don't say why. I think it's because they are not able to isolate two things:

    One) the difference between the punishment relative to the person and the punishment relative to the behavior. The latter is completely arbitrary. There is no rhyme or reason to one toy vs. two. But people make an "is what it is" argument not realizing it's just an appeal to authority. The former is what I want people to acknowledge - punishment as a measure of how it affects the target. I do not want them to feel bad for the kid. I want them to recognize that because he had less to loose he was more affected by the punishment. It is likely that the kid that lost all toys got the biggest "lesson" out of the punishment and is less likely to repeat the behavior. So the question is, if you want equal results and equal affects (ie no toys), how can you possibly rely on an arbitrary punishment? It is simple math.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    IF this is genuinly not about progressive fines, and legitimately about how to punish CHILDREN, then A, the punishment should match the crime (I swear by time outs...my kids hate that more than anything else, even spanking), and B, the punishment should not vary from child to child if the crimes are of equal severity.

    In other words, no matter the number of toys, if taking away ALL toys is the punishment, that must be evenly applied. I can't imagine why would want to take away only ONE toy, unless the toy itself is the focus of the misbehavior. Taking away ONE toy, or half of their toys, is a waste of time, IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Another progressive fine question.



    I'm hate to have to do so, but I guess I will. I'm going to burst your bubble.






    Kids =/= Adults.
    We can discuss that later (it's already come up). Did you at least answer in this context?

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