View Poll Results: What is the best example of fair punishment for a week?

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  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose all toys.

    21 84.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 1 toy.

    2 8.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 2 toys.

    1 4.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 50% of their toys.

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Thread: "Fair" punishment

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Do you spank your children?
    The correct question would have been do I spank my children relative to the surface area of their butt.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    Thank you for answering. It's ironic - I avoided the '100 toy' specifically to avoid the "class warfare" implication.

    Let me ask two questions:

    Do any of the answers make for a more effective (now forgetting 'fair') punishment? In otherwords, is one kid more likely to have "learned his lesson"?

    What would you have chosen if #2 wasn't available? I look at X toys as completely arbitrary, but your response is not unlike other responses that I got. You somehow arrive at X as a cost of the crime (please feel free to correct me, it is not my intent to misrepresent).
    The penalty for an infraction should be relative to the severity of the infraction, not the wealth of the perp. I fail to see how the # of toys sentence can be any deterrent once all toys have been taken. This leads to injustice as the "toyless" must then either forfeit their freedom or pay no penalty at all for their infraction. Perhaps a better sentence would be a forfeiture of freedom (X hours/days of timeout) which makes one's wealth (# of toys) not a factor.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm going on record now as saying that's exactly what it is about.
    You can post a link if you'd like. But that seems irrelevant. Do you find conflict here that doesn't hold up elsewhere? If not what is the point of these nonsense disclaimers?

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    The correct question would have been do I spank my children relative to the surface area of their butt.
    That was where my spankings occurred. So?

    I never got my toys taken away.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, everyone can see the poll question, but no one knows why their toys are relevant to the question or what the boys actually did.
    That is my point. One's wealth (# of toys) should have no bearing on a sanction for an infraction.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm pretty sure the question revolves around the wealthy paying the same amount for violations such as speeding.
    hmm.I had taken it as reinforcement ,punishment ,behaviorism etc. from educational perspective
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    The correct question would have been do I spank my children relative to the surface area of their butt.
    No, the correct question would have been do the number of spanks vary based on the severity of the infraction or the wealth (# of toys) of the perp.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Hmm... Timmy and Tommy initially have 3 toys each. Timmy sells Tommy one of his toys and then snitches on him. The result of your justice is that Timmy uses that justice system to steal from Tommy.
    Man, you and I together would have ruled the playground!!

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The penalty for an infraction should be relative to the severity of the infraction
    But what does this mean? Do you see why this is a tough question? Who decides that one toy and not two is the 'proper' penalty? There's nothing propery about it - it's arbitrary. What is the "severity of the infraction"? Severe relative to who/what? I'm not playing games, these are real questions that seem to have appeal-to-authority type answers.


    Perhaps a better sentence would be a forfeiture of freedom (X hours/days of timeout) which makes one's wealth (# of toys) not a factor.
    I agree. But the question to you is does time make for a better sentence? What is different about time compared to toys in this case? To me it's because time is equal - while each kid may or may not have toys to play with after a punishment, both sacrifice the same amount of time out of their day.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, the correct question would have been do the number of spanks vary based on the severity of the infraction or the wealth (# of toys) of the perp.
    Nope. I said it right the first time.

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