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  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose all toys.

    21 84.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 1 toy.

    2 8.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 2 toys.

    1 4.00%
  • Timmy has 2 toys, Tommy has 4 toys. Both boys loose 50% of their toys.

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Thread: "Fair" punishment

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    I'm not sure what your point is.
    How many toys must be taken away, and for how long, in order to get a given lazy child to do their homework?

    A "fair" punishment is the least which is required to accomplish the desired result. If that varies based on the individual then so be it, thus parents have great flexibility and the advantage of knowing their children well, yet we have a constitution that requires equal treatment of the law which means that our judicial system is basically unable to be "fair".
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    You remove all toys, because the punishment is that you are denying them the pleasure of playing with toys.

    Removing some toys only limited the pleasure without stopping it nullifying the message, while leaving one with toys and 1 without demonstrates favoritism.

    It's similar to the old saying about how cutting off one finger sends a stronger message than injuring all five fingers.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    The minimum required to change behavior for each boy.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    As I am to understand, Tom and Tim committed the same "crime" .. But, the question is ,IMO, should ones wealth be a factor in the punishment ??
    Strangely, I am with 90% of the people .
    Speed , rich or poor ...lose your vehicle for one month
    Screw over the people (France, Russia) ...lose your life
    To me it's not "factoring in" wealth. It's determining if the unit of punishment is bore (more) equally. If the unit varies wildly between people, it's punishment varies just as wildly, and that should be a consideration. We could use a percentage of that disparate unit. I find it odd that in some contexts people find that to be equal, but not in others (taxes for example). But it's NOT a requirement to make that unit work. If you can't make it fair, than "factor out"/remove that unit as an option for punishment all together and end the argument right there.

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I'm glad judges aren't engineers.
    Why ?

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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by pdog View Post
    Why ?
    Because passing judgment isn't as cut and dried as A+B=C....at least not all the time.
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    Re: "Fair" punishment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    How many toys must be taken away, and for how long, in order to get a given lazy child to do their homework?



    A "fair" punishment is the least which is required to accomplish the desired result. If that varies based on the individual then so be it, thus parents have great flexibility and the advantage of knowing their children well, yet we have a constitution that requires equal treatment of the law which means that our judicial system is basically unable to be "fair".

    But who says the punishment ever needs to be in the form of possession? I realize there's no such thing as perfectly fair, but I certainly think it could be more fair.

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