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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    "Atomic bomb" is a long-standing term meaning any sort of nuclear weapon. It's a bit old fashioned these days, but I'm pretty sure it was used in that context in the poll. And certainly we have a right to have them because there is no law or principle that denies us the ability to have them on either moral or practical grounds.

    It would have been very unpleasant for us had we not defeated Germany before they built a working atomic bomb. And we were then blessed by a lot of German brain power that enabled us to complete a working bomb before Japan got their nuclear program out of the laboratory stage. A working bomb in the hands of the Japanese prior to the end of WWII would also have been a very grim scenario for the USA. And if we had not built sufficient nuclear weapons to achieve deterrent parity with the USSR soon after WWII ended, the world might be a very different place, and not in a good way, than what it is.

    The world is a much safer place because the USA has a sufficient nuclear arsenal and ability to use it on very short notice.
    I agree with you, with a couple exceptions. The Manhattan Project benefited from the contributions of some European refugees, but American physicists, chemists, and other scientists were no less skilled that those from other countries. If "German brain power" had been that important, the Germans should have developed the atom bomb first, just as they were the first to develop a ballistic missile. Also, the industrial power of the U.S. had a lot to do with developing the bomb. Japan was too strapped by other demands to muster the enormous resources needed.

    The U.S. did not have parity with the USSR after WWII, but absolute superiority. By the times of the first Soviet nuclear test in 1949, the U.S. had a stockpile of about 200 bombs. During the first four years after the war, the U.S. could have, if it had wanted, dictated terms to any nation in the world--including the USSR. America could have forbidden any other nation to have the bomb, and enforced the ban with the threat of nuclear attack. The fact it had already shown its willingness to use atom bombs would have made that threat pretty credible.

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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Then it would appear that you DON'T have the ability to stop them. I'm intrigued to know how you think you would prevent them getting one even if you did have the will to do so. I think sanctions and boycotts really wouldn't be sufficient.
    I didn't say me, I said we, as in the US.

    How do we stop them, easy, kill every one of the goat ****ing mother****ers.
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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I didn't say me, I said we, as in the US.

    How do we stop them, easy, kill every one of the goat ****ing mother****ers.
    Yeah, good answer. Do a Hiroshima and Nagasaki on them.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, good answer. Do a Hiroshima and Nagasaki on them.
    Damned straight. Teach them to follow the drug induced hallucinations of a half-breed, so called prophet that is the son of a whore and a pig.
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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I didn't say me, I said we, as in the US.

    How do we stop them, easy, kill every one of the goat ****ing mother****ers.
    I see genocide is in your DNA. Fortunately I don't think even your nuttiest tea party pols are quite that extreme.
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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Damned straight. Teach them to follow the drug induced hallucinations of a half-breed, so called prophet that is the son of a whore and a pig.
    How many cups of coffee have you had today dude. How is it that the Iranian population that you'd like to nuke is responsible for the actions of the Ayatollahs, hmm?
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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I agree with you, with a couple exceptions. The Manhattan Project benefited from the contributions of some European refugees, but American physicists, chemists, and other scientists were no less skilled that those from other countries. If "German brain power" had been that important, the Germans should have developed the atom bomb first, just as they were the first to develop a ballistic missile. Also, the industrial power of the U.S. had a lot to do with developing the bomb. Japan was too strapped by other demands to muster the enormous resources needed.

    The U.S. did not have parity with the USSR after WWII, but absolute superiority. By the times of the first Soviet nuclear test in 1949, the U.S. had a stockpile of about 200 bombs. During the first four years after the war, the U.S. could have, if it had wanted, dictated terms to any nation in the world--including the USSR. America could have forbidden any other nation to have the bomb, and enforced the ban with the threat of nuclear attack. The fact it had already shown its willingness to use atom bombs would have made that threat pretty credible.
    I don't mean to diminish the contributions of our own scientists, physicists, etc. And I did misspeak with an implication that it was after Germany surrendered to the allies that the German brainpower factored in. But many of the notable members of the Manhattan project were Germans who had escaped Hitler's Germany, most especially Jewish physicists, scientists, etc. Albert Einstein who sounded the alarm to FDR about Germany's A-bomb project was among those German immigrants just prior to WWII and of course his theories were instrumental in development of such a weapon. But he was not involved with the Manhattan project because our government did not trust him. (Einstein did not want an A-bomb developed but realistically knew that if Germany got one before the USA did, it would not end well.)

    Also I probably left the impression that it was immediately after WWII that Russia began its nuclear proliferation. But by the 1950's American school children were doing duck and cover drills and people were building bomb shelters because of the nuclear threat the USSR presented. If the USA had not had sufficient deterrent capabilities, that too might not have ended well.

    The fact is the knowledge to build the bomb is out there and that genie cannot be put back into the bottle. Disarmament is no longer and option for the world because there will always be evil men with ambitions of achieving great power. The best we can hope for is that the good guys will remain the stronger.
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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    How many cups of coffee have you had today dude. How is it that the Iranian population that you'd like to nuke is responsible for the actions of the Ayatollahs, hmm?
    I quit drinking caffeine/coffee more than a year ago.

    What part? Every one that is not actively trying to overthrow the mother****ers. Failure to act makes someone just as guilty as those whom they choose not to act against.

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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I see genocide is in your DNA. Fortunately I don't think even your nuttiest tea party pols are quite that extreme.
    Genocide would be killing everyone of a particular race. Is Iran the totality of a particular race? Or even a particular religion?
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    Re: Does USA have the right to have atomic bombs ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Genocide would be killing everyone of a particular race. Is Iran the totality of a particular race? Or even a particular religion?
    When you're proposing to kill 78 million people, the semantics of genocide are pretty irrelevant.
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