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    Re: Are government agents posing as DP posters?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
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    Re: Are government agents posing as DP posters?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    They're coming to take me away, ah ha!
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    Re: Are government agents posing as DP posters?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Only when the harvest moon smells the methane of the toads
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    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Jumping queues and makin' haste, just ain't my cup of meat
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    Re: Are government agents posing as DP posters?

    Seems like Israel really takes this issue seriously

    Prime Minister's Office recruiting students to wage online hasbara battles

    The Prime Minister's Office is planning to form, in collaboration with the National Union of Israeli Students, "covert units" within Israel's seven universities that will engage in online public diplomacy (hasbara).

    The students participating in the project, who would post on social media networks such as Facebook and Twitter on Israel’s behalf, will be part of the public diplomacy arm of the PMO, but would not identify themselves as official government representatives.
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    “We believe that this involves an essential tool to strengthen Israeli public diplomacy and addresses the major importance that we attach to advancing public diplomacy of the State of Israel on the social networks.”
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    Prime Minister's Office recruiting students to wage online hasbara battles - National - Israel News | Haaretz

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    Re: Are government agents posing as DP posters?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What do you think?
    I don't know, and I don't really care. I can't imagine any government agents being ordered to keep tabs on such a small online community, but I guess I could see some coming here on their personal time for enjoyment like the rest of us and just not admitting what they do for a living.
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    Re: Are government agents posing as DP posters?

    Here's a very interesting article

    Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal

    Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama’s closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama’s head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for “overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs.” In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites — as well as other activist groups — which advocate views that Sunstein deems “false conspiracy theories” about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens’ faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper’s abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

    Sunstein advocates that the Government’s stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups.” He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called “independent” credible voices to bolster the Government’s messaging (on the ground that those who don’t believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government). This program would target those advocating false “conspiracy theories,” which they define to mean: “an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role.” Sunstein’s 2008 paper was flagged by this blogger, and then amplified in an excellent report by Raw Story‘s Daniel Tencer.
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    http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

    Some time ago I recall creating a poll in this section after reading something that Matthew Dooley, a U.S. military officer, was teaching at a U.S. military academy

    I know this is highly speculative, but I may have an explanation for the rise of ISIL

    Matthew Dooley is said to have taught a course at the Joint Forces Staff College where he advocated the following

    It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction.

    I have found it particularly puzzling as to why ISIL was able to rise, and why they seem to be hell bent on doing the type of things that will hasten their destruction. It may not necessarily be the U.S., but is someone facilitating ISIL so as to destroy or damage Islam? I know that is highly speculative, but it is a rather interesting thought, and would go a long way in explaining their rapid rise.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...post1064290658

    I wonder...
    Last edited by MildSteel; 03-21-15 at 10:54 AM.

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    Re: Are government agents posing as DP posters?

    How else would our military and three-letter-agency IT manipulators practice their manipulation skills of foreign and domestic actual targets if they didn't have real life practice "dummies" to practice those skills on?

    To address some of the other comments though, I would say that they use word recognition software to track for threats and actual people joining to manipulate, if they were going to manipulate any site such as this. And it wouldn't be that hard for a government agent that was doing this to join many, many of these sites, having their job be to sort of manipulate conversations or progress of threads or polls, etc. for these sites, possibly flagging certain people that the software might not notice rather than actually having the job of looking for general or obvious threats.
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    Re: Are government agents posing as DP posters?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's a very interesting article



    Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal - Salon.com

    Some time ago I recall creating a poll in this section after reading something that Matthew Dooley, a U.S. military officer, was teaching at a U.S. military academy



    http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspi...post1064290658

    I wonder...
    Yes, Cass Sunstein has always been anti liberty. And his policies are in effect. I could name those government minions at work here, but it's probably against DP policy. His wife is our ambassador to the UN.

    Sunstein said there are no
    “natural” rights - all rights are the product of government, defined by
    government, enforced by government, and protected by government. The
    “right” to ownership of property, for example, which most people think
    of as a primal right inherent to all who are born into society, is
    actually a product of law..., Obama himself describes the Constitution
    as “too restrictive” and “a charter of negative rights.
    Last edited by Montecresto; 03-21-15 at 12:18 PM.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Are government agents posing as DP posters?

    More on Sunstein and "conspiracy truths"

    Cass has written a book, On Rumors

    A large concern of the author is the protection of the political elite, since with the spread of "false" rumors "people might lose faith…in their government itself." (Sunstein, 10) Though he warns that "many rumors spread conspiracy theories" (Sunstein, 7) I’d advise him to read a copy of The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution by his fellow Harvard professor Bernard Bailyn, who helpfully points out that our Founders were rabid "conspiracy theorists" and, even more to the point, urge Sunstein to look at history and the innumerable times when "conspiracy" theories proved themselves to be absolutely true.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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